EPCOT Figment, well, to be replaced by Figment

Cmdr_Crimson

Cmdr_Crimson

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It'll be the day when a new version is "so amazing" you take a look at the wait times on your MDE still seeing a 90 min wait time at 6:45 pm...On a Wednesday..
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FigmentsBrightIdeas

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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HMF said:
It was the second most visited attraction in the park until 1994 when the queue was sabotaged for HISTA. Of course, what Disney needs to learn especially considering EPCOT is that NOT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO APPEAL TO EVERYBODY.
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You’re right on that first half.. but the second half I kinda disagree with, while it’s true not everything will appeal to everybody, that’s just a fact of life, the reality is, they ‘should’ usually try to make things that appeal to the widest range of audience and not just subsects. And in response to the original post HMF replied to. Why wouldn’t that ride & characters be a big success when they were to begin with and continue to sell big in merchandise (not to mention a recent successful meet n greet) ? The parks had more variety and things to do when it wasn’t almost always replacing classics and/or just greenlighting in general attractions only with celebrities & film IP tied into them, that or strictly thrill rides vs the higher capacity/slow moving darkrides. Before it was a much nicer variety/balance of types of attractions.. not anymore though sadly. (Mickey & Friends current state is a very sad example of this also. As opposed to making cartoons or shows that are accessible for all ages like they once did, it’s (mostly) now either strictly for preschoolers or folks that like edgy/out there cartoons that don’t keep the integrity of the characters intact. The more all-age appealing, genuine classic styles that kept to that integrity or even projects more like the comics (things like The Talking Mickey Mouse Show, shorts like Mickey’s Christmas Carol & Prince & the Pauper, Mickey MouseWorks/House of Mouse, Epic Mickey, Get a Horse, or even some of the recent 2D attempts Eric Goldberg & Mark Henn worked on for instance) are hardly ever greenlit or supported by the company to their better or full potential anymore it seems. It’s baffling) The original Journey Into Imagination was something aimed at everybody, that pretty much everybody enjoyed. Which is why it’s completely crazy they’d decide to get rid of it and drastically change it the way they did by pointlessly retheming the whole thing to unrelated film IP w a flanderized version of Figment shoehorned into it. There was simply no good reason to, especially since folks have been clamoring and buying retro style merch for ‘decades’ now, wanting to see the pavilion restored back to its former glory. Yet Disney absolutely refuses for whatever asinine/nonsensical reason.. I don’t get it.
 
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HMF

HMF

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FigmentsBrightIdeas said:
You’re right on that first half.. but the second half I kinda disagree with, while it’s true not everything will appeal to everybody, that’s just a fact of life, the reality is, they ‘should’ usually try to make things that appeal to the widest range of audience and just not subsects.
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I agree that you want to aim for the widest audience possible. The fact of the matter is the original EPCOT did have it's detractors but also it's fans. The sad part is Disney listened to the detractors and turned the park into the sorry state it is today. Maybe if they listened to the fans, instead, We wouldn't be in this mess.
 
FigmentsBrightIdeas

FigmentsBrightIdeas

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HMF said:
I agree that you want to aim for the widest audience possible. The fact of the matter is the original EPCOT did have it's detractors but also it's fans. The sad part is Disney listened to the detractors and turned the park into the sorry state it is today. Maybe if they listened to the fans, instead, We wouldn't be in this mess.
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I’d say it honestly takes a balance depending on circumstances. Honestly I think more people enjoyed EPCOT than those that didn’t.. but then again, I don’t have any internal data on that to prove anything and can only go off what I’ve seen and have heard most folks discuss on social media & sites like these. In the end though, I def think we could’ve had a much better balance of both park original and new offerings added that stay true to the park’s theme rather than constantly detracting from the originals as what’s happened more lately.
If we could atleast get things like Journey Into Imagination & Horizons restored & enhanced tastefully and some of those additional classic era World Showcase pavilion attraction plans built for the time being. We could get a lot of that balance we want in the park back.
 
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Bocabear

Bocabear

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Well Horizons is as gone as 20k Leagues...we will never see it's like in a WDW park again. I am beginning to think the same for Imagination at this point as well. Kind of funny that what was always considered the most creative entertainment company in the world has not been able to make the jump into the 21st century...they go in every direction except the one that made it famous and popular... No one disliked the original version of the Imagination pavilion... the refreshes were poorly done and have lead us here... they have also allowed the pavilion to no longer be imaginative... Disney shorts in the theater because no one was creative enough to come up with a show that relates to the pavilion... Upper management is unwilling to spend the money it would cost to update and bring the pavilion back to the showstopper it was.
and that is the problem in all 4 parks.... They probably could do amazing things again, but upper management won't pay for them....and frankly as they continue to raise their prices, they don't care what we think.
 
GenChi

GenChi

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ChewbaccaYourMum said:
Sorry I should have been more clear.. I completely understand the concept of capacity on rides and how it effects wait times completely.

What I meant was what if they revamp the ride and it's incredible, but it is still able to be walked on, with no one in the queue and with like half full cars most of the day, which it is now. I don't think that has anything to do with the rides capacity efforts, I think it has to do with people just not going on the ride.

Pirates is a different story, because even though that wait time could be pretty low a lot of times during the day, I rarely ever see a boat not full of people, and at least a line of 5 minutes towards the end of the queue, which to me means all the boats going are full and it's using it's great great great capacity well.
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It would be compared to how it stacks to the current version. If every car is filled and it gets some lines it'll be a success. A slow ride not based off a large film IP is not meant for a large line these days that people usually resonate as a success. If it had half filled cars and same low ridership as the current ride? Either there's another factor in play hindering attendance like issues with guests finding the entrance/not walking by it often or the concept just does not resonate for modern guests beyond the audience it gets now

Sometimes a great ride doesn't resonate with general guests. If it didn't? At least we'd have 20 years with it. I really wouldn't worry because I think a good ride will draw people in (and IO as a film in MET would draw people there further). And once it happens we get at least 2 decades with it
 
WorldExplorer

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Rodj said:
Is this the doors that separate the finale from the unload, or one of the drop down screens?
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The drop down screens that hide all the bright colors and Figments and go down when Figment says "blast".

For a long time one of them in the middle was stuck open so people could see the Figments behind them before the blast.
 
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Theme Park Nerdo

Theme Park Nerdo

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The Underminer said:
Blow this one up already.

The fact that the Pixar Film Fest is still playing is also embarrassing.

Inside Out and Figment would make for a killer pavilion, but I think the ride needs a complete redo. Reusing the track would be a shortsighted mistake.
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If they got the same people who worked on Test Track 3.0, and a sponsor to foot the bill, JII 4.0 would probably become the best ride in EPCOT. That is, if we’re allowed to dream.
 
aladdin2007

aladdin2007

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The Underminer said:
Blow this one up already.

The fact that the Pixar Film Fest is still playing is also embarrassing.

Inside Out and Figment would make for a killer pavilion, but I think the ride needs a complete redo. Reusing the track would be a shortsighted mistake.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they razed the whole thing, aside from testtrack, everything now seems to be getting wiped off the map and replaced when they do something meaning goodbye building.,,that would be an extremity, but anymore is it? Look what they are purging elsewhere.....yet to do all that by the 50th is a stretch........and yeah that pixar thing needs to be shuddered.
 
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