MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

Dranth

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It’s lose lose. If you visit WDW only you are a lazy fan cause you won’t visit the other coast and you want them to be identical.

If you visit and are fans of both you are incapable of understanding that only Disneyland has any historical significance and Walt’s dead anyways. Hooray! Who would want his ideas to be around!
Factually Disneyland is the park with historical significance when it comes to Walt, not MK and certainly not WDW. That doesn't mean WDW doesn't have its own history and cultural impact, but it is largely disconnected from Walt the person.

Also, I don't think anyone is saying they don't want his ideas around, but to believe he would not have adapted and changed as time went on is also naive.

Just to be clear, removing RoA, from an aesthetic standpoint, is a mistake. I FIRMLY believe that what we end up with will be a lesser product on that front, but eventually enough people will move on/pass away that what they are building is all anyone will know.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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Factually Disneyland is the park with historical significance when it comes to Walt, not MK and certainly not WDW.
I feel like every castle park is and should be connected to Walt Disney.

But even if you want to break that link…. Disney was founded by both Walt and Roy - so the Magic Kingdom is the last park opened by one of the founders of the company. So it too, should have some historic significance.
 

WorldExplorer

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I think the "Walt would want" argument gets distorted.

It should be less "this was a thing Walt liked and Walt was an important person so we want to preserve it as a historical thing".

It should be more "Walt actually knew what the hell he was doing so his logic should be emulated and his choices and reasoning carefully considered".

Same with Muppet Vision and Jim Henson. Removing the Muppet thing he made and trying to put them somewhere else is not a bad idea because Henson's final work deserves to be forever enshrined and worshipped like an ancient talisman, but because he was a genius of his craft and knew how to do this better than anyone. Even if the people making the new thing are good, they won't be exceptional like Henson. It will not be as good. What they had was already made by the absolute best person for the job.

Ideas that came from Walt came from the father of theme parks; an absolute genius, someone who revolutionized two mediums in his relatively short life. He knew about atmosphere, he knew about design, he knew how to make things fun, he was brilliant. When he put things in the parks he knew what he was doing. Yes, even if he didn't specifically oversee the construction of this one, an idea that is his copied over somewhere else is still an idea that is his.

And if we're going to argue that what Walt made was good then but doesn't fit modern Disney, that says a hell of a lot more about modern Disney than it does about Walt.

Also, this "well go to Disneyland" thing is nonsense: this was in the park at its debut, it has been there for fifty four years. It's just as much a part of this park as Disneyland, it's totally reasonable to want to have it here.
 
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AidenRodriguez731

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Not the end of the Magic Kingdom... Just the end of some of the magic...

And yes, folks will continue to show up, just like folks continue to show up at 6 flags..
Okay I'm kinda tired of this comparison being brought up. In what world is the removal of the damn river making it a Six Flags comparable park??

MY LOCAL SIX FLAGS HAS A DAMN RIVER even has boats going down it. I can't even take your whole argument seriously because of how comical this sounds.
 

Disstevefan1

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Okay I'm kinda tired of this comparison being brought up. In what world is the removal of the damn river making it a Six Flags comparable park??

MY LOCAL SIX FLAGS HAS A DAMN RIVER even has boats going down it. I can't even take your whole argument seriously because of how comical this sounds.
Thanks for the clarification!

6 Flags has a river and boats. MK no longer has a river and boats.

Good job Bob, Josh and Hugh!!!
 

AidenRodriguez731

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Thanks for the clarification!

6 Flags has a river and boats. MK no longer has a river and boats.
Yeah if only there was some river in MK... one with boats... updated animatronics... could even be tied to a super popular attraction, heck some live narration would even be cool. We can even make a movie out of this. Too bad Disney is less than Six Flags because there are no rivers.

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I mean there is just really no water around MK and it's going to get so hot. I mean look at this (ignore the scribbled out areas, those are irrelevant)

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AidenRodriguez731

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Which six flags has a river and boats? Not doubting - just curious!
Great Escape actually! It's up here in Upstate NY and its definitely more of a family park. I've been on the river a few times, its obviously nowhere near the size of ROA in total but has small show scenes along it. Can be pretty relaxing but nowadays they don't bother to open it up half the time because its attendance is so low.
 

Smiley/OCD

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There is one aspect of this new ride/attraction/land that I don’t recall seeing in the 700+ pages ( and if it was mentioned, I apologize)…

My youngest DD just graduated from CalPoly/ Humboldt with her very hard & well earned & deserved degree in wildlife…we had a lengthy conversation about this…while it is NOT forbidden, off roading & 4WD’ing is not highly encouraged in national parks… (for MANY reasons, ruining the environment being the primary concern). While it’s not 100% forbidden, it’s HIGHLY regulated as to where & how you can in a national park.

Disney (now more than ever) is always on the forefront of political correctness and. environmental issues…I’m just wondering how the company is justifying off roading in a national park? I know they always look to send the RIGHT message…is this it? Just wondering…
 

Chi84

Premium Member
There is one aspect of this new ride/attraction/land that I don’t recall seeing in the 700+ pages ( and if it was mentioned, I apologize)…
My youngest DD just graduated from CalPoly/ Humboldt with her very hard & well earned degree in wildlife…we had a lengthy conversation about this…while it is NOT forbidden, off roading & 4WD’ing is not highly encouraged in national parks… (for MANY reasons, ruining the environment being the primary concern). While it’s not 100% forbidden, it’s HIGHLY regulated as to where & how you can in a national park.
Disney (now more than ever) is always on the forefront of political correctness and. environmental issues…I’m just wondering how the company is justifying off roading in a national park? I know they always look to send the RIGHT message…is this it? Just wondering…
They’ll highly regulate where you can and cannot off road and 4WD so they will comply with what happens in real life national parks. Also, most people outside of these boards understand that WDW is a theme park, not a real national park.
 

mattpeto

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I don't have this special affinity for RoA, TSI or the Riverboat. I try to put myself in other people's shoes and I'd say I'd be livid if they were filling in World Showcase. For me personally, this isn't that scenario but I respect that some of you feel that way.

At this point, I simply have a ton of question marks...

Will the new area fit in aesthetically? Will the Rally race be worth it? Will it be a win for capacity overall? Will the space be more consumed and help traffic patterns?

The jury is out all for of those things, but I have an open mind about this project.
 

Disstevefan1

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Yeah if only there was some river in MK... one with boats... updated animatronics... could even be tied to a super popular attraction, heck some live narration would even be cool. We can even make a movie out of this. Too bad Disney is less than Six Flags because there are no rivers.

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You are right again!!!! Lets hope MK does not get rid of the Jungle Cruise!!

Does the moat around the castle count?? To your point there used to be swan boats that went around the moat but they are long gone.

You are right, 6 flags and MK are equal as they both have a river and boats!!!
 
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Stupido

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There is one aspect of this new ride/attraction/land that I don’t recall seeing in the 700+ pages ( and if it was mentioned, I apologize)…

My youngest DD just graduated from CalPoly/ Humboldt with her very hard & well earned & deserved degree in wildlife…we had a lengthy conversation about this…while it is NOT forbidden, off roading & 4WD’ing is not highly encouraged in national parks… (for MANY reasons, ruining the environment being the primary concern). While it’s not 100% forbidden, it’s HIGHLY regulated as to where & how you can in a national park.

Disney (now more than ever) is always on the forefront of political correctness and. environmental issues…I’m just wondering how the company is justifying off roading in a national park? I know they always look to send the RIGHT message…is this it? Just wondering…

Yeah Disney is really irresponsible for what they're promoting here. Just like they justify exploring abandoned hotels with faulty elevator shafts, desecrating the natural West looking for gold, pillaging small ports, and communing with spirits! Disney is out of control with their messaging. 😠
 

lazyboy97o

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Okay I'm kinda tired of this comparison being brought up. In what world is the removal of the damn river making it a Six Flags comparable park??

MY LOCAL SIX FLAGS HAS A DAMN RIVER even has boats going down it. I can't even take your whole argument seriously because of how comical this sounds.
While some parks like Cedar Point have their origin as amusement parks, many of the Six Flags parks, including the original trio, were designed as theme parks. Cedar Fair long saw themselves as being in the amusement park business, but Six Flags always held out that were still in the theme park business. The way by which their parks lost their charm, themes and uniqueness wasn’t a one time event like the Cedar Fair acquisition of the Paramount Parks. It was instead a process, one that many here actually applaud and support the underlying motivations.

The single most cost effective, widest appealing investment an amusement park can make is a roller coaster. That is what “good business” practices says you should do. That’s what demographic appeal says you should do. That’s what inducing demand and improving utilization says you should do. The end result though of doing what “makes sense” is something that doesn’t actually work that well.

People don’t like what has become of Six Flags, but they sure as hell defend a lot of the mindset that got them there.
 

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