Disstevefan1
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Not the end of the Magic Kingdom... Just the end of some of the magic...
And yes, folks will continue to show up, just like folks continue to show up at 6 flags..
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MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom
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And yes, folks will continue to show up, just like folks continue to show up at 6 flags..
Disney Analyst
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So do they just pump all this water into Seven Seas? Then permanently close things up?
AidenRodriguez731
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Okay I'm kinda tired of this comparison being brought up. In what world is the removal of the damn river making it a Six Flags comparable park??
MY LOCAL SIX FLAGS HAS A DAMN RIVER even has boats going down it. I can't even take your whole argument seriously because of how comical this sounds.
Disstevefan1
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Thanks for the clarification!
6 Flags has a river and boats. MK no longer has a river and boats.
Good job Bob, Josh and Hugh!!!
TrainsOfDisney
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Which six flags has a river and boats? Not doubting - just curious!
AidenRodriguez731
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Yeah if only there was some river in MK... one with boats... updated animatronics... could even be tied to a super popular attraction, heck some live narration would even be cool. We can even make a movie out of this. Too bad Disney is less than Six Flags because there are no rivers.
I mean there is just really no water around MK and it's going to get so hot. I mean look at this (ignore the scribbled out areas, those are irrelevant)
AidenRodriguez731
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Great Escape actually! It's up here in Upstate NY and its definitely more of a family park. I've been on the river a few times, its obviously nowhere near the size of ROA in total but has small show scenes along it. Can be pretty relaxing but nowadays they don't bother to open it up half the time because its attendance is so low.
Smiley/OCD
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There is one aspect of this new ride/attraction/land that I don’t recall seeing in the 700+ pages ( and if it was mentioned, I apologize)…
My youngest DD just graduated from CalPoly/ Humboldt with her very hard & well earned & deserved degree in wildlife…we had a lengthy conversation about this…while it is NOT forbidden, off roading & 4WD’ing is not highly encouraged in national parks… (for MANY reasons, ruining the environment being the primary concern). While it’s not 100% forbidden, it’s HIGHLY regulated as to where & how you can in a national park.
Disney (now more than ever) is always on the forefront of political correctness and. environmental issues…I’m just wondering how the company is justifying off roading in a national park? I know they always look to send the RIGHT message…is this it? Just wondering…
My youngest DD just graduated from CalPoly/ Humboldt with her very hard & well earned & deserved degree in wildlife…we had a lengthy conversation about this…while it is NOT forbidden, off roading & 4WD’ing is not highly encouraged in national parks… (for MANY reasons, ruining the environment being the primary concern). While it’s not 100% forbidden, it’s HIGHLY regulated as to where & how you can in a national park.
Disney (now more than ever) is always on the forefront of political correctness and. environmental issues…I’m just wondering how the company is justifying off roading in a national park? I know they always look to send the RIGHT message…is this it? Just wondering…
thepotat5216
Member
That sounds familiar
Chi84
Premium Member
They’ll highly regulate where you can and cannot off road and 4WD so they will comply with what happens in real life national parks. Also, most people outside of these boards understand that WDW is a theme park, not a real national park.
mattpeto
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I don't have this special affinity for RoA, TSI or the Riverboat. I try to put myself in other people's shoes and I'd say I'd be livid if they were filling in World Showcase. For me personally, this isn't that scenario but I respect that some of you feel that way.
At this point, I simply have a ton of question marks...
Will the new area fit in aesthetically? Will the Rally race be worth it? Will it be a win for capacity overall? Will the space be more consumed and help traffic patterns?
The jury is out all for of those things, but I have an open mind about this project.
At this point, I simply have a ton of question marks...
Will the new area fit in aesthetically? Will the Rally race be worth it? Will it be a win for capacity overall? Will the space be more consumed and help traffic patterns?
The jury is out all for of those things, but I have an open mind about this project.
Disstevefan1
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You are right again!!!! Lets hope MK does not get rid of the Jungle Cruise!!
Does the moat around the castle count?? To your point there used to be swan boats that went around the moat but they are long gone.
You are right, 6 flags and MK are equal as they both have a river and boats!!!
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lazyboy97o
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Yes. It was part of the water management system and had pumps and a lock to control its water level. The new ponds and canals are to replace that capacity as well as provide for the new impervious areas.
Stupido
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Yeah Disney is really irresponsible for what they're promoting here. Just like they justify exploring abandoned hotels with faulty elevator shafts, desecrating the natural West looking for gold, pillaging small ports, and communing with spirits! Disney is out of control with their messaging.
TrainsOfDisney
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For those wanting construction updates…. Here ya go. Happy 70th of Disney theme parks!!!!
lazyboy97o
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While some parks like Cedar Point have their origin as amusement parks, many of the Six Flags parks, including the original trio, were designed as theme parks. Cedar Fair long saw themselves as being in the amusement park business, but Six Flags always held out that were still in the theme park business. The way by which their parks lost their charm, themes and uniqueness wasn’t a one time event like the Cedar Fair acquisition of the Paramount Parks. It was instead a process, one that many here actually applaud and support the underlying motivations.
The single most cost effective, widest appealing investment an amusement park can make is a roller coaster. That is what “good business” practices says you should do. That’s what demographic appeal says you should do. That’s what inducing demand and improving utilization says you should do. The end result though of doing what “makes sense” is something that doesn’t actually work that well.
People don’t like what has become of Six Flags, but they sure as hell defend a lot of the mindset that got them there.
Smiley/OCD
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I can agree that when Warner LeRoy opened Great Adventure in 1974 here in NJ, it was a era of “firsts” THEME PARK, not an amusement park…
psherman42
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That’s assuming it will look like Grizzly Peak.
Can you explain how Cars fit into Frontierland? I’ve been to Rocky Mountain National Park and don’t recall seeing any.
Cars does not fit into Frontierland. Try to justify it all you want but it doesn’t fit.
Or Communicore Hall.
This. I rarely went on the riverboat or to TSI, but I still enjoyed walking through Liberty Square and Frontierland and watching the boat and hearing the whistle. The view from Splash Mountain/Tianas was probably the best view in the park. I don’t see why it has to be replaced when they had room to expand and chose to rip it out for car shaped rock work.
MK was Walt’s final dream. Roy made sure it was built for that reason. The idea that one is Walt’s MK and the other is America’s is honestly silly. MK deserves to have its own history just as much as Disneyland does regardless of whether Walt actually stepped foot there or not. It doesn’t deserve to have its history shredded just because Walt died before it was completed.
Change is not what makes MK sacred. What makes it sacred is being able to step into a place that you enjoyed as a child and maybe if you’re lucky, sharing those experiences with your own children or grandchildren. Ripping out everything original takes that away.
I don’t think mentioning the monetary benefits for TWDC is the winning argument you think it is. Instead it just reiterates the idea that Disney doesn’t care about theme and atmosphere but makes decisions based solely on financial benefits.
Right? The general public would like anything. That doesn’t make it a good decision.
It is not a silly argument when the only argument people seem to be able to make in favor of Cars is that it’s a “better use of space”. Well, the majority of park guests aren’t going to CRT or BBB, so why not replace it with something that more people will enjoy? In front of the castle isn’t the only place to see the fireworks and they could move the stage show somewhere else.Man, got excited opening the thread seeing 6 pages in a day to catch up on thinking I missed an announcement or major construction update. Nope just the same back and forth that has been going on for the previous 700 pages
The one argument/topic I find very silly honestly is when people compare the river and the castle. It usually comes up in the sense of not many people use the castle therefore it can be removed as well (acknowledging I may not be doing the best job summarizing the argument here). This is a terrible argument in my mind. The castle is the icon and focal point of the park. It’s called a castle park not a river park. Yes to directly use the castle you have to pay a lot for both CRT and BBB. CRT inside is consistently booked from open to close meaning the “attraction” inside is at 100% capacity even with it’s crazy high cost and not great food (and this is from someone who had the best memory of his life at CRT getting engaged at dinner one night!). There are so do many more indirect uses of the castle compared to the river. It is the backdrop of stage shows which constantly have high attendance. It’s the structure most guests use for their vacation photos. It is the local point of the firework shows including the projection mapping.
As someone who is looking forward to these projects and even before the announcement of the ROA and TSI was looking for the them to be replaced, I have come to understand and appreciate a lot of the arguments made for keeping them or why so many enjoyed them. But when the argument then goes to compare the river to the castle in any way, I get lost. And maybe it’s just a hyperbole to prove a point but still.
Whether people realize it or not, the river is a central part of the park. If it wasn’t, why did they add one to every other castle park around the world?
I’ve literally never thought about RoA being replaced. Like not once have I walked through MK and thought, “wow, TSI and the river are wasted space.” But I have walked by Stitch’s Great Escape and Diamond Horseshoe and Tomorrowland Terrace and the speedway and thought what a waste of space. But somehow all of those are still standing but the river gets torn out for being a waste of space.
So even Six Flags can have a river, but the most visited theme park in the world can’t.
psherman42
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Because you can enjoy Jungle Cruise from the outside? It is not even close to being the same as RoA.
Dranth
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No it wasn't. EPCOT the city was the dream. MK was a way to get the funding, permission, state officials on board, etc. to build the thing he actually wanted.