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MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom
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TrainsOfDisney
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I think a thread like this you will see “some posters” posting 95-100% negative. But in other threads you’ll see positive thoughts as well. For me personally, I just posted that I liked the test track re-do and the new freestyle soccer show in Germany.
But this piston peak ain’t it! Haha
solidyne
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Let's hope there is space for milling, a la Tree of Life.
Again, yes, there is a separate bye-bye-TSI thread, but the mods determined that it belongs in the general forum for some reason.
I wanna continue to whine and complain about ROI's demise, but I wouldn't want to impede the exciting flow of Carz construction updates!!
Chi84
Premium Member
You don’t have to on this site. There are many who announce often that they no longer visit WDW.
Casper Gutman
Well-Known Member
You can always tell a development at WDW is brilliant when the defenders get to the ad hominem attacks.
TrainsOfDisney
Well-Known Member
That and “the general public will like it” really sells it doesn’t it?
Casper Gutman
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So according to the last two pages the people who hate this decision are the ones who visit WDW too much and the ones who don’t visit WDW enough.
DarkMetroid567
Well-Known Member
I would normally agree with a comment like this but when the arguments get so prolonged and snarky I kinda get it lol. The people on these forums are enough to drive any man insane
Casper Gutman
Well-Known Member
“I can’t be held responsible for my actions, someone said something I disagree with!”
Very popular stance these days.
MickMinn22
Active Member
Man, got excited opening the thread seeing 6 pages in a day to catch up on thinking I missed an announcement or major construction update. Nope just the same back and forth that has been going on for the previous 700 pages 
The one argument/topic I find very silly honestly is when people compare the river and the castle. It usually comes up in the sense of not many people use the castle therefore it can be removed as well (acknowledging I may not be doing the best job summarizing the argument here). This is a terrible argument in my mind. The castle is the icon and focal point of the park. It’s called a castle park not a river park. Yes to directly use the castle you have to pay a lot for both CRT and BBB. CRT inside is consistently booked from open to close meaning the “attraction” inside is at 100% capacity even with it’s crazy high cost and not great food (and this is from someone who had the best memory of his life at CRT getting engaged at dinner one night!). There are so do many more indirect uses of the castle compared to the river. It is the backdrop of stage shows which constantly have high attendance. It’s the structure most guests use for their vacation photos. It is the local point of the firework shows including the projection mapping.
As someone who is looking forward to these projects and even before the announcement of the ROA and TSI was looking for the them to be replaced, I have come to understand and appreciate a lot of the arguments made for keeping them or why so many enjoyed them. But when the argument then goes to compare the river to the castle in any way, I get lost. And maybe it’s just a hyperbole to prove a point but still.
The one argument/topic I find very silly honestly is when people compare the river and the castle. It usually comes up in the sense of not many people use the castle therefore it can be removed as well (acknowledging I may not be doing the best job summarizing the argument here). This is a terrible argument in my mind. The castle is the icon and focal point of the park. It’s called a castle park not a river park. Yes to directly use the castle you have to pay a lot for both CRT and BBB. CRT inside is consistently booked from open to close meaning the “attraction” inside is at 100% capacity even with it’s crazy high cost and not great food (and this is from someone who had the best memory of his life at CRT getting engaged at dinner one night!). There are so do many more indirect uses of the castle compared to the river. It is the backdrop of stage shows which constantly have high attendance. It’s the structure most guests use for their vacation photos. It is the local point of the firework shows including the projection mapping.
As someone who is looking forward to these projects and even before the announcement of the ROA and TSI was looking for the them to be replaced, I have come to understand and appreciate a lot of the arguments made for keeping them or why so many enjoyed them. But when the argument then goes to compare the river to the castle in any way, I get lost. And maybe it’s just a hyperbole to prove a point but still.
TrainsOfDisney
Well-Known Member
Yeah…. I get that. Most of the “reasons” given for the destruction of the river can be applied to the castle but your point is correct, the castle is the center of the park and probably the only thing required for a castle park to be a castle park.
I keep an eye online and it looks like they’re draining the river, have started working quickly to take down props, and have removed the portion of the wall that said Tom hearts Becky
Anatj9na
And I think that is the sad part that sums it up. We have reached a point where an icon is conflated with theme and dedication.
And I think that is the sad part that sums it up. We have reached a point where an icon is conflated with theme and dedication.
lazyboy97o
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The entirety of Liberty Square and Frontierland are designed around the Rivers of America. It’s the primarily element of the two lands’ spatial organization. “Castle parks” aren’t actually designed around the castle, but the hub (which pre-dates the castle). It’s the castle’s placement on the central plaza that gives it prominence. Change the spatial organization of the park and that significance will change. Swap the castle with something else and that significance will change. How space is composed is a key component to how it is experienced, the same thing in different spatial contexts becomes a different experience. The castles aren’t inherently special but because they are sited at the central organizing element of the park. The comparison to the castles misses the source of significance. The Rivers of America is to Frontierland and Liberty Square what the hub is to the entire park.
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harryk
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Elimination of 2 attractions to add 3 attractions is still not an expansion. There is enough land to add 3 and keep current (although their destruction is in progress).
easyrowrdw
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Yeah. I don't live close to Disney World, but it's my preferred Disney park because I think it's a better overall experience than Disneyland. I'm not comparing MK to Disneyland on this decision and I really don't care if MK is the same or different than Disneyland. I'm thinking about what I like and think is best for MK. And IMO they're destroying a key element of the park. So someone saying, "just go see it at another park" doesn't provide a lot of solace.
JohnD
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Good point. They did that with Tiana. And plenty of opinions about Tiana. . . Those were on a different thread.
CoastalElite64
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Please this. I respect people grieving but this is getting out of hand.
TrainsOfDisney
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It’s lose lose. If you visit WDW only you are a lazy fan cause you won’t visit the other coast and you want them to be identical.
If you visit and are fans of both you are incapable of understanding that only Disneyland has any historical significance and Walt’s dead anyways. Hooray! Who would want his ideas to be around!
