HMF
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or are Pixar-related.
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MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom
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danlb_2000
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danlb_2000
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I assume green means keep and red means scrap, but what about yellow?
In the animation tour and Fantasmic, put into the The newest offering. I did not mean to imply stand alone attraction.
Iger has what I call the 1989 rule. If it was not newer than The Little Mermaid it most likely won't get a major investment.
Ayla
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The tag colors were talked about with both BTMRR and Muppets, but I don't remember what they mean.
Sir_Cliff
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It was a very interesting D23 considering how much buildup there was regarding the announcement of new expansions and how flat most of it fell. That was even before it was confirmed where this new Cars area was going.
I am fairly sceptical that a Villains land is as good an idea as fans assume it would be, but if the D23 announcement had of been what you mention (a Coco area genuinely "beyond Big Thunder" leading to a villains land and a Moana attraction in Adventureland), I would have given them the benefit of the doubt. At least in that scenario, the worst that could happen would be new (a) addition/s would be disappointing. The rest of the park would still be there and would help with capacity either way. Nothing would have stood out as thematically inappropriate, either.
In the scenario they went with, Villains land is supposed to be the big payoff to justify everything they're doing to Frontierland. At least for me personally, the best case scenario is not that great and the worst case scenario is that they spend a lot of money irrevocably screwing up that whole side of the park.
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Raineman
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Do you consider any criticism of changes to be baseless? For every person here that automatically hates any change that is made, there is a person who will mock and belittle anyone who doesn't step in line and love every change. It goes both ways here.
Maybe only two or three of those I see.
What's more likely to happen is that those who don't want the change start making ridiculous, or contradictory, or baseless claims. Very often just making stuff up off the top of their heads.
And when those unsubstantiated claims are challenged, they call the challengers pixie dusters and shills and think that they absolutely love the change.
Then there's a lot of "if you don't agree with my anger, you must be mentally deficient in some way" ad hominem attacks in which they portray themselves as victims of wrong-thinking people.
It's OK to not like the change. It's OK to like the change. It's not OK to make stuff up and attack the dignity of the person one disagrees with.
Raineman
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I agree. But for anyone to infer that the only people that are making stuff up and attacking others are people that don't like a change is simply not true. everyone in this forum should be able to have a civil debate about this stuff, and not engage in schoolyard antics.
Ayla
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You noticed that, too?
Raineman
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Agreed. People call TSI/ROA underutilized space, but TS definitely is. It's not unique and the kind of attraction you can find at alot of amusement/theme parks. Plus, it's kind of noisy and the smell of gas/exhaust is almost overwhelming. That space could fit two attractions that would be bigger people eaters than the Speedway.
The Empress Lilly
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Personally I think I am under- rather than overthinking the subject. My bar for deep thought doesn't hang so low that I reach it with a few sentences commencing with 'I can't quite explain why'.
Do share your thoughts on single IP lands in castle parks. Surely we can elevate the conversation above a snorefest meta-discussion about who is a fanboy or a hater.
Purduevian
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More people ride speedway than either.
Raineman
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Do you have any data to back that up? I've rarely ever seen a long line for the Speedway.
Purduevian
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I don't have any capacity numbers...
The LLMP for speedway on average sells out before: Buzz Lightyear, Carpets, Pirates, Barnstormer, Mermaid, Dumbo, mad tea party, and small world.
Wait times in MK is currently pretty dead... but it does have a 10 min wait which is more than peoplemover, carpets, small world, dumbo and barnstormer (tied with Pirates and Mermaid)
It's not my cup of tea either... I never really ride it, but its far from a dead attraction.
Do you have anything to show that it is unpopular?
The Empress Lilly
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Yes, it's painful to see a superb area like the RoA go when underwhelming areas exist elsewhere.
The Speedway too has been severely diminished over the decades though. The original track was much longer and more interesting. And apart from active means, the Speedway also suffers from inactive diminishment. Could not, at some point in the last few decades, a redo with a relatively modest budget have brought the attraction more up to date?
Casper Gutman
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And before they replaced Stitch or Laugh Floor or Tomorrowland Terrace. Or used any of the expansion space in the lands in more desperate need of new attractions.
Totally on board with this sentiment.
Raineman
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Unfortunately, I don't think there's an accurate resource for ridership numbers as compared to actual capacity, unless someone else can point me to it. But, my point is that replacing the Speedway with one E-ticket ride, or a couple of smaller attractions, would create more capacity for that piece of property. I fully realize that that is a very similar argument to the one that people make about TSI/ROA replacement, but ROA/TSI has been more integral to the theming and atmosphere of WDW than the Speedway has. If you look at the size of the area that Cars will be taking, and compare that to the size of the area that the Speedway takes up, it's almost the same (according to Google Earth measurements). Will the Speedway have the same capacity as the Cars attractions will provide? Doubtful. So, with all other things being equal, why not remove the attraction/area that has always been less of a factor in the overall theming and environment at WDW, and build there? They could even use Cars IP for the Speedway replacement if they wanted to.