Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Disney Irish]

Next year we’ll probably see Hoppers flop, and if Toy Story still has juice in it

Maybe we'll see.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Anything is possible professor, but if that was the case then Inside Out 2 wouldn't have soared to ~$1.7B.

So unappealing brand issue I doubt is the problem.

I think it’s a half truth

Inside out 2 had a ton of heart…and the brand rec…

Stitch - flaws aside - has a ton of heart especially for the last 30 minutes.

That’s the formula

What doesn’t seem to be working is “brand alone”. Like what had once worked for things such as the live actions and lesser quality Pixar flicks.

As always…things vary/change…but we can comment on trendlines

 

[erasure fan1]

Anything is possible professor, but if that was the case then Inside Out 2 wouldn't have soared to ~$1.7B.

So unappealing brand issue I doubt is the problem.

We hear a lot from you and some of the other people here that it's not the norm for big successful movies, the industry is shifting... Well I'd say inside out 2 isn't the norm. Just because one film killed it doesn't erase the brand erosion that's happened. Pixar was a must see theater event no matter what. That's just not the case anymore. Sure streaming hasn't helped but Disney and it's quality have been the biggest culprit in my opinion.

 

[DKampy]

I think it’s a half truth

Inside out 2 had a ton of heart…and the brand rec…

Stitch - flaws aside - has a ton of heart especially for the last 30 minutes.

That’s the formula

What doesn’t seem to be working is “brand alone”. Like what had once worked for things such as the live actions and lesser quality Pixar flicks.

As always…things vary/change…but we can comment on trendlines

Got it… so what is working… live action remakes and sequels…. Prepare for much more of that…. Sounds like the branding is not the issue…. as people are seeing recognizable brands

 

[Disney Irish]

I think it’s a half truth

Inside out 2 had a ton of heart…and the brand rec…

Stitch - flaws aside - has a ton of heart especially for the last 30 minutes.

That’s the formula

What doesn’t seem to be working is “brand alone”. Like what had once worked for things such as the live actions and lesser quality Pixar flicks.

As always…things vary/change…but we can comment on trendlines

So the "formula" is "known" properties? Because it can't just be about "heart". Because by all reports (including my own personal viewing) Elio has heart too, just like the other two.

I think what can be said is that consumers are not immediately going to go to an unknown property no matter the "brand".

 

[Nevermore525]

Moana 2 was a made for D+ movie and it showed at moments in quality. Still made over $1B.

Safe, recognition.

 

[Disney Irish]

We hear a lot from you and some of the other people here that it's not the norm for big successful movies, the industry is shifting... Well I'd say inside out 2 isn't the norm. Just because one film killed it doesn't erase the brand erosion that's happened. Pixar was a must see theater event no matter what. That's just not the case anymore. Sure streaming hasn't helped but Disney and it's quality have been the biggest culprit in my opinion.

I don't deny that some trust was lost in the "brand" due to some otherwise bad moves such as pushing some direct to streaming. But that doesn't explain why after all the positive reviews why some wouldn't just go and see it which would have built momentum. So that indicates to me that people are still more willing to wait to try an "unknown" property at home rather than risk seeing it at the cost of a ticket.

So again this get back to the debate on what impact streaming has on the overall box office.

 

[Phroobar]

Next year we’ll probably see Hoppers flop, and if Toy Story still has juice in it

I think you are on target on that one. Too bad too.

What I would like to see to an 4K remaster of the original Toy Story with new assets instead of a TS5.
The 1995 humans haven't stood the test of time. It could look amazing with better assets.

 

[Disney Irish]

I think you are on target on that one. Too bad too.

What I would like to see to an 4K remaster of the original Toy Story with new assets instead of a TS5.
The 1995 humans haven't stood the test of time. It could look amazing with better assets.

I think that shows how much the technology has changed in the last 30 years. Sure they can go back and redo it, but I think many purists would be upset as that would be seen as ruining history.

 

[Phroobar]

I think that shows how much the technology has changed in the last 30 years. Sure they can go back and redo it, but I think many purists would be upset as that would be seen as ruining history.

Purists always scream but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. Video games are remastered all the time. I don't see this as any different.

 

[erasure fan1]

But that doesn't explain why after all the positive reviews why some wouldn't just go and see it which would have built momentum.

Maybe it's just not as good as a lot of people think? It's hard to say but for me the trailers do it no favors and the character design is super lazy.

But going back to original films, the last ten years or so of original films don't hold a candle to the first ten-ish years. Only Coco I would put in that first group of films as far as quality goes, and elemental is close. There's a whole lot of mediocrity to bad in the last ten years especially with originals. Am I personally excited for new original pixar? Not really. Am I alone in that? Absolutely not.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So the "formula" is "known" properties? Because it can't just be about "heart". Because by all reports (including my own personal viewing) Elio has heart too, just like the other two.

I think what can be said is that consumers are not immediately going to go to an unknown property no matter the "brand".

Perhaps

But contrary to the repeated disputes from “Society of Film Critiques de Cinema” on this thread…”quality” movies tend to get noticed and consumed. Assuming the “vast anti Disney conspiracy” and “streaming is the greatest thing EVER” narratives are heavily bunk

 

[Disney Irish]

Maybe it's just not as good as a lot of people think?

Now I'm not usually one to point to RT scores, but with scores like this, I doubt its "just not as good as a lot of people think". Because by all accounts by even most posters here they were surprised by how good it was.

It's hard to say but for me the trailers do it no favors and the character design is super lazy.

I think trailers in general for all movies have been terrible the past decade or two. Certainly not like the trailers when I was a kid. So maybe partially something to do with it.

But going back to original films, the last ten years or so of original films don't hold a candle to the first ten-ish years. Only Coco I would put in that first group of films as far as quality goes, and elemental is close. There's a whole lot of mediocrity to bad in the last ten years especially with originals. Am I personally excited for new original pixar? Not really. Am I alone in that? Absolutely not.

I assume you mean just Pixar originals and not originals in general here.

And if talking about just Pixar again I think by and large most outside a few have been fairly well accepted once they were seen. Sure you have the occasional Good Dinosaur, but by and large the rest still were seen to be of good quality in my opinion. Certainly not badly reviewed.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Now I'm not usually one to point to RT scores, but with scores like this, I doubt its "just not as good as a lot of people think". Because by all accounts by even most posters here they were surprised by how good it was.

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I think trailers in general for all movies have been terrible the past decade or two. Certainly not like the trailers when I was a kid. So maybe partially something to do with it.


I assume you mean just Pixar originals and not originals in general here.

And if talking about just Pixar again I think by and large most outside a few have been fairly well accepted once they were seen. Sure you have the occasional Good Dinosaur, but by and large the rest still were seen to be of good quality in my opinion. Certainly not badly reviewed.

So we’re back to banking on the tomatometer again?

That’s definitely showing to be a 1:1 kinda thing now. Worse odds than at the casino.

Interesting to see he fantastic four does…and Superman this weekend?

Ultimate Warrior has assured the patented science of trailer clicks is gonna deliver

 

[Disney Irish]

So we’re back to banking on the tomatometer again?

That’s definitely showing to be a 1:1 kinda thing now. Worse odds than at the casino.

Interesting to see he fantastic four does…and Superman this weekend?

Ultimate Warrior has assured the patented science of trailer clicks is gonna deliver

I'm not the one to usually bring them up like I mentioned. But I just thought its interesting that for all this "well maybe its just not good" stuff, its actually a fairly high rated movie with both critics and audience, which is unusual these days.

 

[TP2000]

Elio passed $100M after Tuesday.

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Financial analysis of Elio (2025) including budget, domestic and international box office gross, DVD and Blu-ray sales reports, total earnings and profitability.

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Wow, it's underperforming more than any of us here thought it would a few weeks ago.

And clearly there's no word of mouth happening for Elio, domestically or in foreign countries.

Let's say it slogs its way to $150 Million by the end of July, with $85 Million domestic and $65 Million overseas, what would that look like for its financial hit this year?

Imperial Measurements:
$150 Production, $75 Marketing, $51 Domestic, $26 Foreign = $148 Million Loss

Metric Measurements:
$150 Production Times 2.5x Minus Global Box Office Divided By Two = $113 Million Loss

Thank goodness for Ridgeback Ranch taking over Lilo & Stitch, but that Elio bomb is going to leave a dent you can't buff out.

 

[TP2000]

I think you are on target on that one. Too bad too.

What I would like to see to an 4K remaster of the original Toy Story with new assets instead of a TS5.
The 1995 humans haven't stood the test of time. It could look amazing with better assets.

That's creepy! I don't remember the kid in Toy Story looking that creepy.

The thing I remember most about Toy Story though is that I had moved back to SoCal the year prior, and had just purchased my first Disneyland AP when Toy Story came out. They had a big playland exhibit thing in Tomorrowland, in the old Space Place restaurant patio where the Space Mountain entrance now is. The Tomorrowland Toy Story location was fun and very clever!

If I'd only known the humans would look like nightmare fuel just a few decades later though, I might have been less impressed.

 

[Disney Irish]

Purists always scream but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. Video games are remastered all the time. I don't see this as any different.

Movies are a bit different in my opinion than video games.

In general we have directors cuts and such, but not too often (unless its George Lucas) do we have a studio just go back and redo all of the CGI of an entire character like this so many years later.

Also I would think that Pixar would want to keep it as it is as it showcases just how much they've improved the technology over the years.

 

[coffeefan]

Plus, I was actually relieved to find that Google was still using widely accepted definition of "immigrant" as being a human who moves from one country to another, instead of widening it way out to mean Galaxy-wide space travel and alien invasion.

Here's what your loved Google AI says:

Exactly. And that's exactly why it was a news story for a 24 hour cycle. Because I watch a couple hours of Fox News each evening so that no one else here has to, that's precisely why it was a story and what the coverage was based in.

Not sure why you're trying to establish Fox News as some beacon of credibility, when in courts, their lawyers have argued they're entertainment.

It was the cringe inducing intellectual dishonesty about a well established story (Superman) that made many people roll their eyes at the latest Hollywood nonsense. And it was inflated by the fact that most people like James Gunn (and several posters here) absolutely refuse to make a distinction between legal immigration and illegal immigration.

Again, not a new interpretation, and also in the comics.
Just be honest: say you don't like it and let it be.

 

[Disney Irish]

I get all that, and I'm not actually disagreeing with you either. I found this little side-track into the current brouhaha over the "Superman Is An Immigrant" thing quite entertaining and fun to discuss!

Plus, I was actually relieved to find that Google was still using widely accepted definition of "immigrant" as being a human who moves from one country to another, instead of widening it way out to mean Galaxy-wide space travel and alien invasion.

Actually Google AI will spit out almost anything depending on the prompts you put in. So don't rely too much on Google AI as a "win".

Exactly. And that's exactly why it was a news story for a 24 hour cycle. Because I watch a couple hours of Fox News each evening so that no one else here has to, that's precisely why it was a story and what the coverage was based in.

It was the cringe inducing intellectual dishonesty about a well established story (Superman) that made many people roll their eyes at the latest Hollywood nonsense. And it was inflated by the fact that most people like James Gunn (and several posters here) absolutely refuse to make a distinction between legal immigration and illegal immigration.

Honestly why does it really matter the word "immigrant" was used. Its accurate in the context of his origin story, just as it was when it was first introduced in 1938. Does it really hurt your human sensibilities that a fictional alien can be called an immigrant? Really? The entire human race is just one big planet of immigrants since all of our ancestors moved around the planet hunting and foraging.

Which must be insulting to legal immigrants to this country, I'd imagine.

Don't be that guy. Don't assume to know what an immigrant would think about this. I'm sure there are plenty on both sides of the topic that would both agree and even disagree.