Brer Panther
Well-Known Member
I just hope this Cars ride is good, and the situation is another "it's fun but should've been an addition as opposed to a replacement" sort of thing. Y'know, like Test Track with World of Motion.
Not past the railroad tracks, but the back half of ROA, a good chunk of the non-river between the tracks and the current river and north of HM.So is Villains going beyond Big Thunder outside the berm or the back half of RoA? I was holding out for a Thunder Mesa type experience that leveraged the Riverboat (renamed back to Richard F. Irvine) that connects the riverboat more to a Frontierland storyline like DLP. Then using the Riverboat for a re-located Fantasmic that would be part of Villain Land. Pretty amazing compromise if you ask me. It doesn't seem like they are re-located any WDWRR track at ALL.
Heard from the grapevine that the Liberty Belle is....
View attachment 869300
I don't know where it'll pop up, but as of now, scrapping it is not in the cards.
It will always be the Richard F. Irvine dagnabbit.Lilly Belle / Liberty Belle is a very easy mistake when typing on a fan forum. Especially when they even swap whistles!
This annoys me because it's not really beyond Thunder. The wasted potential. Meanwhile at Disneyland................Not past the railroad tracks, but the back half of ROA, a good chunk of the non-river between the tracks and the current river and north of HM.
Agreed 100%I'm not sure if others that opposed this change are in the same camp as myself, but this would not be as egregious if there was no IP tied to it. If it was just a pacific northwest landscape, with some kind of non-IP based "off-road" attraction traversing it, then it would be alot more palatable, IMO. Maybe even have a small section of explorable caves, as an homage to TSI. I don't want to see TSI/ROA go, but I would be ok with the type of replacement I just mentioned. But it is very obvious that Disney management thinks that only new projects with tied-in IP will make them money, and, with the masses that they are now catering to, they're unfortunately probably right.
They did the same with Spectromagic floats as well.Reminds me of when they sold chunks of the MuppetVision Balloon as a limited-edition pin or something like that. Get a splinter of the Liberty Belle for $79.99 plus tax!
This has been beaten to death in this and the villains land thread... but the logistics of getting back to villains land would have been difficult if they didn't at least majorly alter the ROA. It was for sure possible, but some combination of reasons told disney this was the correct path forward.This annoys me because it's not really beyond Thunder. The wasted potential. Meanwhile at Disneyland................
Gee thanks. Back to not replying in these forums for another 5-7 years.This has been beaten to death in this and the villains land thread... but the logistics of getting back to villains land would have been difficult if they didn't at least majorly alter the ROA. It was for sure possible, but some combination of reasons told disney this was the correct path forward.
It sold a ton of merch in the 2000’s!I'm not sure if others that opposed this change are in the same camp as myself, but this would not be as egregious if there was no IP tied to it. If it was just a pacific northwest landscape, with some kind of non-IP based "off-road" attraction traversing it, then it would be alot more palatable, IMO. Maybe even have a small section of explorable caves, as an homage to TSI. I don't want to see TSI/ROA go, but I would be ok with the type of replacement I just mentioned. But it is very obvious that Disney management thinks that only new projects with tied-in IP will make them money, and, with the masses that they are now catering to, they're unfortunately probably right.
Sorry wasn't trying to undermine you. Just saying, there were valid reasons for closing ROA for Villains land... One of which is the logistics of getting people back to that expansion area. Also Disney 100% could have still done it while saving the ROA in some form... but chose not to.Gee thanks. I'll go back to posting on a fan forum in another 10 years now.
You keep asserting Cars is no longer relevant. And those who say it is are just wrong.It sold a ton of merch in the 2000’s!
Under that logic, we should be seeing a Bratz licensing agreement and mini land any day now.
They had other options to get back there. I even suggested one on this board.This has been beaten to death in this and the villains land thread... but the logistics of getting back to villains land would have been difficult if they didn't at least majorly alter the ROA. It was for sure possible, but some combination of reasons told disney this was the correct path forward.
Oh I agree, I'm just saying the logistics of getting back there likely played a key role. It was just easier to remove ROA than try to design around it.They had other options to get back there. I even suggested one on this board.
Thus, Disney sunsetted RoA because they wanted to. Not because they had to.
RoA wasn't removed for lack of space.Walt bought so much land so these kinds of decisions didn't have to be made.
Just stupidity.
The Liberty Belle is dead. It'll be quietly moved and scrapped and that will be that. Disney hates its prime customers and thinks it can reach the """modern audience""" (which doesn't exist) with this monstrosity. Jeff, Josh, and Bob are all empty suits that only care about money and hate what the parks stand for. This company is dead. Please stop giving them your money. It will not get better and this will not be a good replacement. It will be a cheap and soulless empty husk of a ride that will never live up to RoA. I'm sure I will still peruse this site from time to time but Disney will never receive another one of my dollars. I know that's completely meaningless in the grand scheme of things but I'll spend my time and money at places where I'm valued and not actively hated.View attachment 869355
Worth pointing out that the concept of docking the Riverboat and making it a restaurant (quick service or snack stand) is something they've considered for decades, even in Disneyland- the scrapped Discovery Bay land was going to have the Mark Twain and Sailing Ship Columbia permanently docked and used as dining space. Who's to say Magic Kingdom and the Liberty Belle couldn't get the same treatment? Put the riverboat outside TBA, have it sell beignets and mint juleps, maybe have a jazz band that plays on the upper deck for people like in the movie. Great way to save the ship while adding more theming to the TBA area.
What I wanna know is- what's gonna happen to the glowing eye owl animatronic in Harper's Mill? That guy is super charming, I hope he's moved to be outside the Haunted Mansion or something. I love me some simple 70s-era animatronics.
Register on WDWMAGIC. This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.