OG Runner
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I am sorry, but it sounds like you knowingly provoke Disney Security by what you try to bring into the park
and the way you bring it in and then try to play the victim.
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Security splitting up families / groups at entrances
- Thread starter TrainsOfDisney
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and the way you bring it in and then try to play the victim.
Lol. Provoke? I think you may have me confused with someone else. I was thinking my bag wouldn’t even need to be searched cause that’s the point of the evolv scanners.
I certainly wasn’t trying!
Chi84
Premium Member
This is a five-year-old thread about splitting up families at security entrances. Not sure why it needed to be bumped with the revelation that Disney searches bags . . .
Stripes
Premium Member
The Evolv scanners are not for bags.
Especially with recent world events and the close proximity to Independence Day, I’m quite glad Disney Security is going the extra mile to keep guests safe.
Ah… then why not have dedicated bags / no bags lines? I would much rather walk through the scanner and have my bag checked then have to get wanded as well. And take my belt off. Lol.
mergatroid
Well-Known Member
I think there's several ways of looking at this scenario really depending on your take or personal view. Of course if we're looking at it from a customer service point of view, then I don't think there's a normal person who wouldn't prefer there to be no need for security in this world at all as that would mean the world was a nicer, safer place. Being separated from your family temporarily isn't ideal (unless you dislike them and appreciate the separation 
) but unfortunately we don't live in that world and the separation really doesn't need to be that much of an issue for most people. If it's purely a customer service issue for some rather than a safety issue, it seems a bit odd to complain about the request for families to separate on occasion to me? Surely the fact that you're being asked to go through a security check at all has already affected the customer service side of things, being checked before entering has already crossed into the "We want to check that you're not a person trying to take dangerous objects into the park" which you could equally argue isn't the friendliest introduction to Disney either. Nobody seems to have a problem on this forum of security being there and announcing that checks are needed despite that already killing some of the magical vibe before the day even begins. To separate some families temporarily is only really an extension of that, it's not ideal but neither are the security checks either from a strictly customer service standpoint.
For those arguing about the safety aspect of a child being separated and possibly taken by a stranger, how does the rest of the day go? You could argue what happens when say a single father taking his two daughters into the park needs to go into the toilet, or his daughters do? Would we be ok with a man entering the ladies toilet with his daughters, or would we want him to take his daughters into the men's toilets where men stood urinating are in view? Common sense would dictate that most would say "Well obviously in that scenario there would need to be separation" however isn't it worse as the kids are actually fully out of sight? If somebody was that worried about child safety why would they even take their kids to a park and take that risk, you can't really have it both ways.
As others have said if there was an elderly parent who gets distressed about separation for mental health reasons, or a child with learning difficulties then I'm sure a polite but firm "I'm sorry but I can't leave them because of x, y or z" would probably result in your party staying together. If under those circumstances that option was denied then I'm fairly confident that a polite request to speak to a supervisor would be a further and likely successful option.
There's two sides to the coin but I also think that from time to time in life there's going to be rules that we're preferred to adhere to that may seem a pain, but are there for the greater good for the majority. If they disrupt our day a little but aren't genuinely putting anyone into unnecessary danger, then I think it's easier to try to work within those rules unless there's a practical reason why not rather than not because we just don't like it much.
) but unfortunately we don't live in that world and the separation really doesn't need to be that much of an issue for most people. If it's purely a customer service issue for some rather than a safety issue, it seems a bit odd to complain about the request for families to separate on occasion to me? Surely the fact that you're being asked to go through a security check at all has already affected the customer service side of things, being checked before entering has already crossed into the "We want to check that you're not a person trying to take dangerous objects into the park" which you could equally argue isn't the friendliest introduction to Disney either. Nobody seems to have a problem on this forum of security being there and announcing that checks are needed despite that already killing some of the magical vibe before the day even begins. To separate some families temporarily is only really an extension of that, it's not ideal but neither are the security checks either from a strictly customer service standpoint.For those arguing about the safety aspect of a child being separated and possibly taken by a stranger, how does the rest of the day go? You could argue what happens when say a single father taking his two daughters into the park needs to go into the toilet, or his daughters do? Would we be ok with a man entering the ladies toilet with his daughters, or would we want him to take his daughters into the men's toilets where men stood urinating are in view? Common sense would dictate that most would say "Well obviously in that scenario there would need to be separation" however isn't it worse as the kids are actually fully out of sight? If somebody was that worried about child safety why would they even take their kids to a park and take that risk, you can't really have it both ways.
As others have said if there was an elderly parent who gets distressed about separation for mental health reasons, or a child with learning difficulties then I'm sure a polite but firm "I'm sorry but I can't leave them because of x, y or z" would probably result in your party staying together. If under those circumstances that option was denied then I'm fairly confident that a polite request to speak to a supervisor would be a further and likely successful option.
There's two sides to the coin but I also think that from time to time in life there's going to be rules that we're preferred to adhere to that may seem a pain, but are there for the greater good for the majority. If they disrupt our day a little but aren't genuinely putting anyone into unnecessary danger, then I think it's easier to try to work within those rules unless there's a practical reason why not rather than not because we just don't like it much.
Stripes
Premium Member
When we were at WDW in April they were separating people by whether they had bags or no bags.
JIMINYCR
Well-Known Member
Yes… Trains mustn’t forget that Disney was and will be a target for those wanting to hit a notable area where lots of people gather. On the 4 th many sites across the country were on alert after the Iran bombings for fear of retaliation. Security has to be more serious about checking anything out of the norm. Bringing an electric shaver into the park would stand out as unusual.
It’s amazing how much people have been conditioned to live in fear. Quite sad.
mergatroid
Well-Known Member
I would say it's if anything the opposite. Where are these people going to Disney World who are living in fear? Surely going to Disney World is the exact opposite of living in fear. If somebody genuinely feared visiting a theme park, then why would they go to that park and more so why would they take their kids? I can honestly say that I've never seen anyone looking terrified at Disney security or overheard a conversation about how people were living in fear visiting Disney. I've honestly never seen a post on here or anywhere else where somebody has said they no longer visit Disney because they're scared and are living in fear of what others may do to them.
I've read on here people saying that Disney security is there more so people feel like something is being done, rather than it actually being like a wall of steel or that affective. However not once have I seen or heard these same people saying that they won't go to Disney because they're living in fear.
I think the term 'living in fear' is more akin to those living in countries where there are bombs and missiles falling from the skies. I'm not quite sure how accepting or justifying security at Disney World requesting parties separating at the security check momentarily equates to people 'living in fear'? To me it's more accepting that they have a job to do and it makes it easier by separating bag and no bag people to avoid crowding. I think if a bomb did go off one day in Disney (Let's pray it never does) and it was discovered it was because the security was lapse because Disney said "They didn't want people to live in fear by having their bags scanned and possibly searched" that there'd be a justified outrage by many.
I can accept somebody being a bit annoyed or feeling that being separated is a bit of a nuisance at the start of a so called 'magical day at Disney', I get that. But I think that if we're going to have security there in the first place that we may as well have them do their best and work as efficiently as they feel is needed even if it inconveniences us slightly.
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easyrowrdw
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The scanners absolutely are for bags. Most of the time you can walk right through security with a bag, unless you’re selected to have it checked. I believe that can happen both randomly or if there’s something particular in the bag. It’s been this way for years now. I almost never have to stop anymore and it’s great.
Maybe there is heightened security at the moment. Or maybe the scanners were not working properly. Or maybe you just have some bad luck!
mergatroid
Well-Known Member
I get wanded every single time as I can't go through metal detectors, they have my wife take my rucksack with her and rarely if ever have they stopped her to search it. It's quite amazing technology they have that scans you as go through. When we entered Disney Springs from the car park and I was waiting to be wanded I was stood right near the screens and it was pretty incredible seeing boxes appearing around items on the screen.The scanners absolutely are for bags. Most of the time you can walk right through security with a bag, unless you’re selected to have it checked. I believe that can happen both randomly or if there’s something particular in the bag. It’s been this way for years now. I almost never have to stop anymore and it’s great.
Maybe there is heightened security at the moment. Or maybe the scanners were not working properly. Or maybe you just have some bad luck!
heapster411
Well-Known Member
I work for a large convention center/stadium/theater management company and our security protocol has tightened up significantly. With the world today; it's not if, it's when! Targets for attention should always be on the lookout. So, I would accept it as a sign of the times we live in!
Prince-1
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And it’s amazing how many people keep their head buried in the sand and ignore the reality of life that we live in now.
Eh…. If I was nervous from all the news reports I wouldn’t have gotten on the plane to get here. I was glad it wasn’t a Boeing though! Haha.
in more security news - security check has been added at Disney springs resort bus entrance.
So yes…. They are ramping up security. That actually makes my experience make more sense.
So yes…. They are ramping up security. That actually makes my experience make more sense.
Prince-1
Well-Known Member
I will agree that we all have to be afraid of getting on a plane made by Boeing. Make sure you tighten those seatbelts extra tight cause you never know when a door might fly off mid flight.
JIMINYCR
Well-Known Member
Not that people are living in fear but they have been awakened to the possibilities of what could happen. Years ago the thought of someone intentionally wanting to harm large groups of people they didn't know would have never been part of life. Other than a plane being hijacked, no one feared flying because of a terrorist on board. Security in parks and events was a group of retired officer wandering the crowd looking for a pick pocket or to yell at some unruly kids.
Now even though they know it could happen, they don't think about it happening to them or where they are at this moment. The reality of bad things are buried way back in their minds. It happens to other people in other places. They go around living their lives as normal as ever until an incident occurs close by. Then the possibility of it touching them personally or the close brush with death came calling makes it real. Security is still in place but it isn't to the extent where it makes them fearful or nervous. Scans have become a part of life as more of an inconvenience but not something that makes one fearful of what they are walking into.
plutofan15
Well-Known Member
Oh my lord, not this all over again. A never ending saga created by yourself.
But this gives me an opportunity to thank the men and women of Disney security for keeping the resort safe.
Chi84
Premium Member
That’s brilliant! Thank you.