MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

lazyboy97o

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Of course there is a choice , but how much money should they spend to keep that aesthetic and even further expand the park boundaries? Ive also heard of these “plans” but we are prob talking big money, easy to demand from the armchair they spend it when it’s not your money. Maybe the new aesthetic is as good or better. Like I said , TBD if this was the right move but something tells me it’s preordained you will criticize it no matter what happens.
They’re not going with a cheaper or more cost effective choice. They are going with one that is more expensive because a guy who doesn’t like the park will be able to look at a map and see that it looks a lot different. Just like he did not that long ago at Epcot.
 

Casper Gutman

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Of course there is a choice , but how much money should they spend to keep that aesthetic and even further expand the park boundaries? Ive also heard of these “plans” but we are prob talking big money, easy to demand from the armchair they spend it when it’s not your money.
As Lazy pointed out, this isn’t even the relevant issue, but… It was my money. And yours. And everyone else on these boards. You’re pleading poverty on the part of a resort run by one of the worlds largest entertainment companies, a resort that has been raising prices to astronomical levels while slashing services. Shall we list a few? Magic Express. Hotel package delivery. In-room dining. Streetmosphere performers. Ride after ride after ride. Want to keep going?

I’m sorry the glorious brand has to invest before they can make money. It’s also unfair that movie studios have to pay to make movies before people will give them money. Why won’t consumers learn their place?
Maybe the new aesthetic is as good or better.
The area and every single thing in it was designed to take advantage of the Rivers. It is absolutely integral to the narrative and aesthetics of the land.
 

mlayton144

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That wasn’t the point.

You claimed RoA in MK was a barrier to expansion. It’s not. With way less space, DL managed to build GE yet preserve that part of the park. Objectively you’re wrong. If WDW was out of expansion space, you might have a point but it’s nowhere near that scenario
It most certainly is a barrier , just look at the map. Can you engineer around it of course, but is that a wise use of money - they don’t believe it is. It will now be a much more usable space for both attraction experiences as well as getting people to the other side . Plus it has the potential to be scenically beautiful. You won’t need to wait and take a stupid raft to get there either.

Disneyland is a different animal with its legacy. It’ll stay there for anyone who misses the WDW version.
 

mlayton144

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As Lazy pointed out, this isn’t even the relevant issue, but… It was my money. And yours. And everyone else on these boards. You’re pleading poverty on the part of a resort run by one of the worlds largest entertainment companies, a resort that has been raising prices to astronomical levels while slashing services. Shall we list a few? Magic Express. Hotel package delivery. In-room dining. Streetmosphere performers. Ride after ride after ride. Want to keep going?

I’m sorry the glorious brand has to invest before they can make money. It’s also unfair that movie studios have to pay to make movies before people will give them money. Why won’t consumers learn their place?

The area and every single thing in it was designed to take advantage of the Rivers. It is absolutely integral to the narrative and aesthetics of the land.

Geez where do I start. All of that is a legitimate opinion , but can’t help to feel you are stuck in the past and refuse to accept the world we live in and maybe lack some understanding of business and economics. Last time I checked many many billions are on the table for investment, consumers (like you and me) will decide if there is a value proposition there. Sure seems like the consumers haven’t abandoned WDW. What vacation destination in today’s world meet the expectations that you have set above and provides a comparable week long entertainment experience? Let me know as I would like to travel in that Time Machine back to the 1990s for a week or so. I for one am hopeful for all of the projects coming.
 

gerarar

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TrainsOfDisney

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With respect, people don’t goto WDW just for magic kingdom. The majority go for a Disney vacation including the other 3 parks, dining , shopping, and the resorts in one big package. Disneyland park is pretty much the only reason people will step foot in Anaheim
why is that a reason the MK should have less dining, live entertainment, and attractions then DL?

Also…. The numbers don’t really support that. DCA gets more visitors than DAK for example - so the “majority” of DL guests must also be visiting DCA then.
 

mlayton144

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why is that a reason the MK should have less dining, live entertainment, and attractions then DL?

Also…. The numbers don’t really support that. DCA gets more visitors than DAK for example - so the “majority” of DL guests must also be visiting DCA then.
Agree on the dining front personally , but MK has plenty of attractions to make their customers happy and coming back.
 

Casper Gutman

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Geez where do I start. All of that is a legitimate opinion , but can’t help to feel you are stuck in the past and refuse to accept the world we live in and maybe lack some understanding of business and economics.
Or perhaps I have an understanding of the history of business and economics and grasp that today’s “immutable truths” are profoundly arbitrary.

It is possible for businesses to behave in many different ways. The idea that reinvestment should be minimal, that a dollar spent has infinitely more value then a dollar earned, that a company’s future must be sacrificed to next quarters growth - those ideas are the product of a very specific set of economic, cultural, and political developments. They aren’t the only ways that a corporation can operate.

And we’re a bit off topic here, because Disney is investing in WDW, they’re just doing so badly.
 

mlayton144

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Or perhaps I have an understanding of the history of business and economics and grasp that today’s “immutable truths” are profoundly arbitrary.

It is possible for businesses to behave in many different ways. The idea that reinvestment should be minimal, that a dollar spent has infinitely more value then a dollar earned, that a company’s future must be sacrificed to next quarters growth - those ideas are the product of a very specific set of economic, cultural, and political developments. They aren’t the only ways that a corporation can operate.

And we’re a bit off topic here, because Disney is investing in WDW, they’re just doing so badly.

They also can’t just cater to your individual little fantasies , they also have larger demographics and of course shareholders to cater to. It’s a delicate balance.
 

Touchdown

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The last drawing of the new area gives me some hope they won’t completely ruin things, based on the drawings the water feature will remain from CBJ to BTMRR, so I assume the dock walkway will remain as will TBA and BTMRR’s interaction with the water. While I still don’t like the loss of the riverboat or the addition of anachronistic cars to the late 19th century it’s not quite as apocalyptic as initially presented.
 

Gusey

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The last drawing of the new area gives me some hope they won’t completely ruin things, based on the drawings the water feature will remain from CBJ to BTMRR, so I assume the dock walkway will remain as will TBA and BTMRR’s interaction with the water. While I still don’t like the loss of the riverboat or the addition of anachronistic cars to the late 19th century it’s not quite as apocalyptic as initially presented.
Yeah, when the new art was released, they confirmed that the dock area will remain and there will be a prominent water feature seperating that section of Frontierland from the Cars attraction (despite what some on here are claiming isn't happening)
 

lazyboy97o

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Yeah, when the new art was released, they confirmed that the dock area will remain and there will be a prominent water feature seperating that section of Frontierland from the Cars attraction (despite what some on here are claiming isn't happening)
Water features aren’t interchangeable. Just having water right at that edge is not a strong organizing principle. It being kept shows a complete lack of understanding of the role of the Rivers of America in the larger design of the space.
 

Touchdown

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Water features aren’t interchangeable. Just having water right at that edge is not a strong organizing principle. It being kept shows a complete lack of understanding of the role of the Rivers of America in the larger design of the space.
It’s still going to be a river, it’s going to flow off the mountain and then go into a cave right past CBJ. Storywise, when it comes to old Frontierland it will be exactly the same.
 

Gusey

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Water features aren’t interchangeable. Just having water right at that edge is not a strong organizing principle. It being kept shows a complete lack of understanding of the role of the Rivers of America in the larger design of the space.
All I was saying was the facts that have been released. Not everything needs to be an argument. I get you don't want the Rivers of America to leave, but let's not debate the fact that the dock area will remain and there will be a prominent water feature still in Frontierland.
It’ll be more of a creek. It will not at all be the same story wise because the scale makes no sense for it to be an organizing feature.
At no point has it been said that the water feature will be a creek, that's something you've said to justify you're dislike of the change. Let's please stick with facts
 

lazyboy97o

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All I was saying was the facts that have been released. Not everything needs to be an argument. I get you don't want the Rivers of America to leave, but let's not debate the fact that the dock area will remain and there will be a prominent water feature still in Frontierland.

At no point has it been said that the water feature will be a creek, that's something you've said to justify you're dislike of the change. Let's please stick with facts
The fact is that you cannot just claim it is the same. It will not be the same size. It will not have the same spatial design. Those are the facts.
 

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