MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[mlayton144]

Not to be “so dramatic” but MK and Disneyland are virtually the same attendance wise.

Do you think it’s a good thing that MK has less live entertainment, less attractions and less dining options than DL? Considering it costs the same to get in to each park?

With respect, people don’t goto WDW just for magic kingdom. The majority go for a Disney vacation including the other 3 parks, dining , shopping, and the resorts in one big package. Disneyland park is pretty much the only reason people will step foot in Anaheim with so much else to do in the general region. Most would say the majority of those guests are day visitors who come for the day, then go home. I agree Disneyland Park is a true gem, but let’s recognize it for what it is and who it’s designed to cater to.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Most of these discussions have nothing to do with deep critical thought or sophistication.

You should read the boards a bit more. They can be quite insightful.

Yes popularity which = revenue = profit is a primary metric that businesses must use to know if they are hitting their objectives.

This isn’t what anyone was talking about and it’s not what you said. It’s also a gross oversimplification in a lot of ways.

Maybe they should cater to the self proclaimed sophisticated people like yourself and go bankrupt.

Yep, the Disney World of the mid-1990s. Famously unsuccessful.

Would I like them to keep the beautiful vista/aesthetic/vibe of the ROA yea, do I understand the logic and potential of what is replacing it yes I do. Seems to me The ROA from a logistics point of view is a barrier to guest flow to the new expansion area. It has to go, especially if 90% empty most days. If Piston Peak and Villains sucks, that will be another conversation

Always a reason that it isn’t Disney’s fault.

If only Disney had room to expand in other spots, perhaps even Beyond Thunder Mountain. Or if another Disney park had demonstrated how to add a major land above Frontierland while preserving the island and river. Or if Imagineers had presented lots of plans that would have preserved the RoA because of its importance to the park. But no, there’s no choice. It “has to go.”

 

[mlayton144]

You should read the boards a bit more. They can be quite insightful.

This isn’t what anyone was talking about and it’s not what you said. It’s also a gross oversimplification in a lot of ways.

Yep, the Disney World of the mid-1990s. Famously unsuccessful.

Always a reason that it isn’t Disney’s fault.

If only Disney had room to expand in other spots, perhaps even Beyond Thunder Mountain. Or if another Disney park had demonstrated how to add a major land above Frontierland while preserving the island and river. Or if Imagineers had presented lots of plans that would have preserved the RoA because of its importance to the park. But no, there’s no choice. It “has to go.”

Of course there is a choice , but how much money should they spend to keep that aesthetic and even further expand the park boundaries? Ive also heard of these “plans” but we are prob talking big money, easy to demand from the armchair they spend it when it’s not your money. Maybe the new aesthetic is as good or better. Like I said , TBD if this was the right move but something tells me it’s preordained you will criticize it no matter what happens.

 

[SamusAranX]

Most of these discussions have nothing to do with deep critical thought or sophistication. Yes popularity which = revenue = profit is a primary metric that businesses must use to know if they are hitting their objectives. Maybe they should cater to the self proclaimed sophisticated people like yourself and go bankrupt. Would I like them to keep the beautiful vista/aesthetic/vibe of the ROA yea, do I understand the logic and potential of what is replacing it yes I do. Seems to me The ROA from a logistics point of view is a barrier to guest flow to the new expansion area. It has to go, especially if 90% empty most days. If Piston Peak and Villains sucks, that will be another conversation

It is not a barrier. Anyone who has been to DLR knows this

 

[lazyboy97o]

Of course there is a choice , but how much money should they spend to keep that aesthetic and even further expand the park boundaries? Ive also heard of these “plans” but we are prob talking big money, easy to demand from the armchair they spend it when it’s not your money. Maybe the new aesthetic is as good or better. Like I said , TBD if this was the right move but something tells me it’s preordained you will criticize it no matter what happens.

They’re not going with a cheaper or more cost effective choice. They are going with one that is more expensive because a guy who doesn’t like the park will be able to look at a map and see that it looks a lot different. Just like he did not that long ago at Epcot.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Of course there is a choice , but how much money should they spend to keep that aesthetic and even further expand the park boundaries? Ive also heard of these “plans” but we are prob talking big money, easy to demand from the armchair they spend it when it’s not your money.

As Lazy pointed out, this isn’t even the relevant issue, but… It was my money. And yours. And everyone else on these boards. You’re pleading poverty on the part of a resort run by one of the worlds largest entertainment companies, a resort that has been raising prices to astronomical levels while slashing services. Shall we list a few? Magic Express. Hotel package delivery. In-room dining. Streetmosphere performers. Ride after ride after ride. Want to keep going?

I’m sorry the glorious brand has to invest before they can make money. It’s also unfair that movie studios have to pay to make movies before people will give them money. Why won’t consumers learn their place?

Maybe the new aesthetic is as good or better.

The area and every single thing in it was designed to take advantage of the Rivers. It is absolutely integral to the narrative and aesthetics of the land.

 

[mlayton144]

That wasn’t the point.

You claimed RoA in MK was a barrier to expansion. It’s not. With way less space, DL managed to build GE yet preserve that part of the park. Objectively you’re wrong. If WDW was out of expansion space, you might have a point but it’s nowhere near that scenario

It most certainly is a barrier , just look at the map. Can you engineer around it of course, but is that a wise use of money - they don’t believe it is. It will now be a much more usable space for both attraction experiences as well as getting people to the other side . Plus it has the potential to be scenically beautiful. You won’t need to wait and take a stupid raft to get there either.

Disneyland is a different animal with its legacy. It’ll stay there for anyone who misses the WDW version.

 

[mlayton144]

As Lazy pointed out, this isn’t even the relevant issue, but… It was my money. And yours. And everyone else on these boards. You’re pleading poverty on the part of a resort run by one of the worlds largest entertainment companies, a resort that has been raising prices to astronomical levels while slashing services. Shall we list a few? Magic Express. Hotel package delivery. In-room dining. Streetmosphere performers. Ride after ride after ride. Want to keep going?

I’m sorry the glorious brand has to invest before they can make money. It’s also unfair that movie studios have to pay to make movies before people will give them money. Why won’t consumers learn their place?

The area and every single thing in it was designed to take advantage of the Rivers. It is absolutely integral to the narrative and aesthetics of the land.

Geez where do I start. All of that is a legitimate opinion , but can’t help to feel you are stuck in the past and refuse to accept the world we live in and maybe lack some understanding of business and economics. Last time I checked many many billions are on the table for investment, consumers (like you and me) will decide if there is a value proposition there. Sure seems like the consumers haven’t abandoned WDW. What vacation destination in today’s world meet the expectations that you have set above and provides a comparable week long entertainment experience? Let me know as I would like to travel in that Time Machine back to the 1990s for a week or so. I for one am hopeful for all of the projects coming.

 

[gerarar]

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[FigmentFan82]

Very curious to see how impactful this will be once walls go up. It would be great if they did some type of theming with the walls.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

With respect, people don’t goto WDW just for magic kingdom. The majority go for a Disney vacation including the other 3 parks, dining , shopping, and the resorts in one big package. Disneyland park is pretty much the only reason people will step foot in Anaheim

why is that a reason the MK should have less dining, live entertainment, and attractions then DL?

Also…. The numbers don’t really support that. DCA gets more visitors than DAK for example - so the “majority” of DL guests must also be visiting DCA then.

 

[Disstevefan1]

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[mlayton144]

why is that a reason the MK should have less dining, live entertainment, and attractions then DL?

Also…. The numbers don’t really support that. DCA gets more visitors than DAK for example - so the “majority” of DL guests must also be visiting DCA then.

Agree on the dining front personally , but MK has plenty of attractions to make their customers happy and coming back.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Geez where do I start. All of that is a legitimate opinion , but can’t help to feel you are stuck in the past and refuse to accept the world we live in and maybe lack some understanding of business and economics.

Or perhaps I have an understanding of the history of business and economics and grasp that today’s “immutable truths” are profoundly arbitrary.

It is possible for businesses to behave in many different ways. The idea that reinvestment should be minimal, that a dollar spent has infinitely more value then a dollar earned, that a company’s future must be sacrificed to next quarters growth - those ideas are the product of a very specific set of economic, cultural, and political developments. They aren’t the only ways that a corporation can operate.

And we’re a bit off topic here, because Disney is investing in WDW, they’re just doing so badly.

 

[mlayton144]

Or perhaps I have an understanding of the history of business and economics and grasp that today’s “immutable truths” are profoundly arbitrary.

It is possible for businesses to behave in many different ways. The idea that reinvestment should be minimal, that a dollar spent has infinitely more value then a dollar earned, that a company’s future must be sacrificed to next quarters growth - those ideas are the product of a very specific set of economic, cultural, and political developments. They aren’t the only ways that a corporation can operate.

And we’re a bit off topic here, because Disney is investing in WDW, they’re just doing so badly.

They also can’t just cater to your individual little fantasies , they also have larger demographics and of course shareholders to cater to. It’s a delicate balance.

 

[Touchdown]

The last drawing of the new area gives me some hope they won’t completely ruin things, based on the drawings the water feature will remain from CBJ to BTMRR, so I assume the dock walkway will remain as will TBA and BTMRR’s interaction with the water. While I still don’t like the loss of the riverboat or the addition of anachronistic cars to the late 19th century it’s not quite as apocalyptic as initially presented.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

They also can’t just cater to your individual little fantasies

Leave my riverboat fantasies out of this!!!

But seriously - these are major design and storytelling elements of the park - they are worth discussing.

 

[Gusey]

The last drawing of the new area gives me some hope they won’t completely ruin things, based on the drawings the water feature will remain from CBJ to BTMRR, so I assume the dock walkway will remain as will TBA and BTMRR’s interaction with the water. While I still don’t like the loss of the riverboat or the addition of anachronistic cars to the late 19th century it’s not quite as apocalyptic as initially presented.

Yeah, when the new art was released, they confirmed that the dock area will remain and there will be a prominent water feature seperating that section of Frontierland from the Cars attraction (despite what some on here are claiming isn't happening)

 

[lazyboy97o]

Yeah, when the new art was released, they confirmed that the dock area will remain and there will be a prominent water feature seperating that section of Frontierland from the Cars attraction (despite what some on here are claiming isn't happening)

Water features aren’t interchangeable. Just having water right at that edge is not a strong organizing principle. It being kept shows a complete lack of understanding of the role of the Rivers of America in the larger design of the space.

 

[Touchdown]

Water features aren’t interchangeable. Just having water right at that edge is not a strong organizing principle. It being kept shows a complete lack of understanding of the role of the Rivers of America in the larger design of the space.

It’s still going to be a river, it’s going to flow off the mountain and then go into a cave right past CBJ. Storywise, when it comes to old Frontierland it will be exactly the same.