MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[mlayton144]

That wasn’t the point.

You claimed RoA in MK was a barrier to expansion. It’s not. With way less space, DL managed to build GE yet preserve that part of the park. Objectively you’re wrong. If WDW was out of expansion space, you might have a point but it’s nowhere near that scenario

It most certainly is a barrier , just look at the map. Can you engineer around it of course, but is that a wise use of money - they don’t believe it is. It will now be a much more usable space for both attraction experiences as well as getting people to the other side . Plus it has the potential to be scenically beautiful. You won’t need to wait and take a stupid raft to get there either.

Disneyland is a different animal with its legacy. It’ll stay there for anyone who misses the WDW version.

 

[mlayton144]

As Lazy pointed out, this isn’t even the relevant issue, but… It was my money. And yours. And everyone else on these boards. You’re pleading poverty on the part of a resort run by one of the worlds largest entertainment companies, a resort that has been raising prices to astronomical levels while slashing services. Shall we list a few? Magic Express. Hotel package delivery. In-room dining. Streetmosphere performers. Ride after ride after ride. Want to keep going?

I’m sorry the glorious brand has to invest before they can make money. It’s also unfair that movie studios have to pay to make movies before people will give them money. Why won’t consumers learn their place?

The area and every single thing in it was designed to take advantage of the Rivers. It is absolutely integral to the narrative and aesthetics of the land.

Geez where do I start. All of that is a legitimate opinion , but can’t help to feel you are stuck in the past and refuse to accept the world we live in and maybe lack some understanding of business and economics. Last time I checked many many billions are on the table for investment, consumers (like you and me) will decide if there is a value proposition there. Sure seems like the consumers haven’t abandoned WDW. What vacation destination in today’s world meet the expectations that you have set above and provides a comparable week long entertainment experience? Let me know as I would like to travel in that Time Machine back to the 1990s for a week or so. I for one am hopeful for all of the projects coming.

 

[gerarar]

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[FigmentFan82]

Very curious to see how impactful this will be once walls go up. It would be great if they did some type of theming with the walls.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

With respect, people don’t goto WDW just for magic kingdom. The majority go for a Disney vacation including the other 3 parks, dining , shopping, and the resorts in one big package. Disneyland park is pretty much the only reason people will step foot in Anaheim

why is that a reason the MK should have less dining, live entertainment, and attractions then DL?

Also…. The numbers don’t really support that. DCA gets more visitors than DAK for example - so the “majority” of DL guests must also be visiting DCA then.

 

[Disstevefan1]

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[mlayton144]

why is that a reason the MK should have less dining, live entertainment, and attractions then DL?

Also…. The numbers don’t really support that. DCA gets more visitors than DAK for example - so the “majority” of DL guests must also be visiting DCA then.

Agree on the dining front personally , but MK has plenty of attractions to make their customers happy and coming back.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Geez where do I start. All of that is a legitimate opinion , but can’t help to feel you are stuck in the past and refuse to accept the world we live in and maybe lack some understanding of business and economics.

Or perhaps I have an understanding of the history of business and economics and grasp that today’s “immutable truths” are profoundly arbitrary.

It is possible for businesses to behave in many different ways. The idea that reinvestment should be minimal, that a dollar spent has infinitely more value then a dollar earned, that a company’s future must be sacrificed to next quarters growth - those ideas are the product of a very specific set of economic, cultural, and political developments. They aren’t the only ways that a corporation can operate.

And we’re a bit off topic here, because Disney is investing in WDW, they’re just doing so badly.

 

[mlayton144]

Or perhaps I have an understanding of the history of business and economics and grasp that today’s “immutable truths” are profoundly arbitrary.

It is possible for businesses to behave in many different ways. The idea that reinvestment should be minimal, that a dollar spent has infinitely more value then a dollar earned, that a company’s future must be sacrificed to next quarters growth - those ideas are the product of a very specific set of economic, cultural, and political developments. They aren’t the only ways that a corporation can operate.

And we’re a bit off topic here, because Disney is investing in WDW, they’re just doing so badly.

They also can’t just cater to your individual little fantasies , they also have larger demographics and of course shareholders to cater to. It’s a delicate balance.

 

[Touchdown]

The last drawing of the new area gives me some hope they won’t completely ruin things, based on the drawings the water feature will remain from CBJ to BTMRR, so I assume the dock walkway will remain as will TBA and BTMRR’s interaction with the water. While I still don’t like the loss of the riverboat or the addition of anachronistic cars to the late 19th century it’s not quite as apocalyptic as initially presented.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

They also can’t just cater to your individual little fantasies

Leave my riverboat fantasies out of this!!!

But seriously - these are major design and storytelling elements of the park - they are worth discussing.

 

[Gusey]

The last drawing of the new area gives me some hope they won’t completely ruin things, based on the drawings the water feature will remain from CBJ to BTMRR, so I assume the dock walkway will remain as will TBA and BTMRR’s interaction with the water. While I still don’t like the loss of the riverboat or the addition of anachronistic cars to the late 19th century it’s not quite as apocalyptic as initially presented.

Yeah, when the new art was released, they confirmed that the dock area will remain and there will be a prominent water feature seperating that section of Frontierland from the Cars attraction (despite what some on here are claiming isn't happening)

 

[lazyboy97o]

Yeah, when the new art was released, they confirmed that the dock area will remain and there will be a prominent water feature seperating that section of Frontierland from the Cars attraction (despite what some on here are claiming isn't happening)

Water features aren’t interchangeable. Just having water right at that edge is not a strong organizing principle. It being kept shows a complete lack of understanding of the role of the Rivers of America in the larger design of the space.

 

[Touchdown]

Water features aren’t interchangeable. Just having water right at that edge is not a strong organizing principle. It being kept shows a complete lack of understanding of the role of the Rivers of America in the larger design of the space.

It’s still going to be a river, it’s going to flow off the mountain and then go into a cave right past CBJ. Storywise, when it comes to old Frontierland it will be exactly the same.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It’s still going to be a river, it’s going to flow off the mountain and then go into a cave right past CBJ. Storywise, when it comes to old Frontierland it will be exactly the same.

It’ll be more of a creek. It will not at all be the same story wise because the scale makes no sense for it to be an organizing feature.

 

[Gusey]

Water features aren’t interchangeable. Just having water right at that edge is not a strong organizing principle. It being kept shows a complete lack of understanding of the role of the Rivers of America in the larger design of the space.

All I was saying was the facts that have been released. Not everything needs to be an argument. I get you don't want the Rivers of America to leave, but let's not debate the fact that the dock area will remain and there will be a prominent water feature still in Frontierland.

It’ll be more of a creek. It will not at all be the same story wise because the scale makes no sense for it to be an organizing feature.

At no point has it been said that the water feature will be a creek, that's something you've said to justify you're dislike of the change. Let's please stick with facts

 

[James Alucobond]

At no point has it been said that the water feature will be a creek, that's something you've said to justify your dislike of the change. Let's please stick with facts

He was correcting the assertion that it will “still be a river”. It is known that it will no longer be that large.

 

[lazyboy97o]

All I was saying was the facts that have been released. Not everything needs to be an argument. I get you don't want the Rivers of America to leave, but let's not debate the fact that the dock area will remain and there will be a prominent water feature still in Frontierland.

At no point has it been said that the water feature will be a creek, that's something you've said to justify you're dislike of the change. Let's please stick with facts

The fact is that you cannot just claim it is the same. It will not be the same size. It will not have the same spatial design. Those are the facts.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

All I was saying was the facts that have been released. Not everything needs to be an argument.

While I’m not trying to argue…. There haven’t been lots of facts released about this project. The concept art, and the newly released illustration (which should be taken less seriously than the concept art in my opinion) both show water - but we don’t know much about it.

 

[Gusey]

The fact is that you cannot just claim it is the same. It will not be the same size. It will not have the same spatial design. Those are the facts.

Look back at what I wrote, I never actually claimed it was the same river, just that there will still be a prominent water feature.
Yet you are claiming you know the exact size of the new river when we don't know the size of the new river until they build it. That's the fact. We do know the back half of RoA will be removed, but the actual width of the new river to the Cars ride could be the same width as the current river is to Tom Sawyer's Island, If that is the case, then it is close enough for me to have the same effect of seeing the water from the CBJ area and the docks. But as I've said, we don't know the width of this new river until it get's built