DHS MuppetVision 3-D's Future: Potential Disney Park Venues and Vision Pro Immersive Experience

MrPromey

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EagleScout610 said:
Part of me is hoping its just because Villians just opened there so it's not "Well Villians was only here for like a month before re-installing MuppetVision over here", but the more realistic part of my brain feels like it's because they're not relocating it and MV3D is just gone forever.
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Captain EO was gone forever until it wasn't.

While this show has a little more going on with specific in-theater effects, I don't think there's a lot that would make it overly challenging to bring back for a retro "limited run" some years down the road where it ends up continuing for a decade or more beyond because that seems to be how temporary works at WDW.

Even if they're not planning on it today, the hard work (aka money) for this one was done decades ago so it can be pulled off the shelf in a pinch when they need to do something cheap that'll make people happy and that means there will always be hope.

I mean, this isn't like trying to restore the original The Journey Into Imagination ride setup or anything.
 
lazyboy97o

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MrPromey said:
Captain EO was gone forever until it wasn't.

While this show has a little more going on with specific in-theater effects, I don't think there's a lot that would make it overly challenging to bring back for a retro "limited run" some years down the road where it ends up continuing for a decade or more beyond because that seems to be how temporary works at WDW.

Even if they're not planning on it today, the hard work (aka money) for this one was done decades ago so it can be pulled off the shelf in a pinch when they need to do something cheap that'll make people happy and that means there will always be hope.

I mean, this isn't like trying to restore the original The Journey Into Imagination ride setup or anything.
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Captain EO had in theater effects they didn’t bother to restore. The conceptual intent for the in-theater effects is done, but there would still have to be some significant design work to bring them to another venue.
 
MrPromey

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lazyboy97o said:
Captain EO had in theater effects they didn’t bother to restore. The conceptual intent for the in-theater effects is done, but there would still have to be some significant design work to bring them to another venue.
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They did but it was a pretty early version of "4D".

Obviously, to redo this show in another venue would take some work/effort. I'm not suggesting they could just load up a 3D movie on an appropriate screen and call it a day. I imagine they'd downgrade to projection mapping for the theater damage and would need to rework the orchestra pit for the penguins effect to sit higher if it wasn't a permanent install and they were to keep that a "live" in-theater effect but I have to think something like this would be significantly easier/cheaper to move/restore/rework for another venue than say, ITTBAB (which I assume is gone forever) or anything with a track.

What else was there? Some fog and bubble effects? That's pretty standard stuff.

Oh! Statler and Waldorf! I forgot about Statler and Waldorf... Not that I'd like or want it but it wouldn't shock me to see them go screen based.

And when I say limited run, I mean like, you know, One Man's Dream. ;)
 
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The Leader of the Club

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MrPromey said:
Obviously, to redo this show in another venue would take some work/effort. I'm not suggesting they could just load up a 3D movie on an appropriate screen and call it a day.
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Between the animatronics (Penguins, Statler/Waldorf, Chef, Bean) and Sweetums, I’d have to assume that bringing this back is going to be much more expensive than Disney is willing to pay. If they don’t already have plans to move it somewhere, I think it’s going to Defunctland or VR.
 
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

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The Leader of the Club said:
Between the animatronics (Penguins, Statler/Waldorf, Chef, Bean) and Sweetums, I’d have to assume that bringing this back is going to be much more expensive than Disney is willing to pay. If they don’t already have plans to move it somewhere, I think it’s going to Defunctland or VR.
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Disney Dan brought up a great point in his video on the closure: The Villains show theater has two theater boxes on either side of the stage with screens in them, and the walls of the theater (at least the walls around the stage and half of the side walls) have screens as well. They could easily put Muppet*Vision back as a screen-only version, with the animatronics being screens and such. Not sure what you'd do for the penguins or Sweetums, though. New screen segment under the main screen for the penguins, and maybe overlaying Sweetums on the screens on the wall or Penguin orchestra screen? But if Disney doesn't scrap the animatronics, it is really that expensive to reinstall them? Can't be any more expensive than developing an entire new show like Villains, TLM, or the upcoming Monsters Inc show. I have zero knowledge on budgets though.

Also, I'm willing to bet Disney does a DCA PhilharMagic and the MuppetVision theater will be entirely the same for the Monsters Inc show going there, just with Muppet decor removed and the theater box curtains closed, animatronics or their components still sitting there.
 
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Charlie The Chatbox Ghost said:
Disney Dan brought up a great point in his video on the closure: The Villains show theater has two theater boxes on either side of the stage with screens in them, and the walls of the theater (at least the walls around the stage and half of the side walls) have screens as well. They could easily put Muppet*Vision back as a screen-only version, with the animatronics being screens and such. Not sure what you'd do for the penguins or Sweetums, though. New screen segment under the main screen for the penguins, and maybe overlaying Sweetums on the screens on the wall or Penguin orchestra screen? But if Disney doesn't scrap the animatronics, it is really that expensive to reinstall them? Can't be any more expensive than developing an entire new show like Villains, TLM, or the upcoming Monsters Inc show. I have zero knowledge on budgets though.

Also, I'm willing to bet Disney does a DCA PhilharMagic and the MuppetVision theater will be entirely the same for the Monsters Inc show going there, just with Muppet decor removed and the theater box curtains closed, animatronics or their components still sitting there.
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I don't doubt it's possible. I even suggested as much (digital) back when discussing the longevity of the Liberty Square show and how they "could" do a digital version in the windows and it still be believable. Then everyone got in a huffy... how dare I take away a performance from the puppeteers. lol But I do wonder if the show wouldn't still exist today had they gone that route, a simple flip of the switch with a single live performer interacting with the screens.

The same could be said for MV3D, I guess but it'd lose so much more of it's character. They do have the capabilities, using various techniques where they could still have each balcony box in a believable 3D space (without glasses) should they go digital... but I don't really see the upside unless the goal is to either shorten the show or construct it quicker. I don't see why they couldn't still use the AAs. (At minimum, still using Statler and Waldorf)

Of the many AAs however, I suspect the Penguin Orchestra and Swedish Chefs would be the first to go in any hypothetical redo. I don't think installation of those would be possible in the Sunset space, or if possible not worth Disney's time/resources to add them back. For those instances I do see a digital version being used. Or in the case of the Penguins, possibly not used at all.

Something to consider in any case. I just wonder if the fandom would accept those changes or anything short of the original. Personally, I wouldn't mind a MV3D lite if it meant bringing the show back. The other caveat being how to re-add the 4D practical effects.
 
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andre85

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ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ said:
I don't doubt it's possible. I even suggested as much (digital) back when discussing the longevity of the Liberty Square show and how they "could" do a digital version in the windows and it still be believable. Then everyone got in a huffy... how dare I take away a performance from the puppeteers. lol But I do wonder if the show wouldn't still exist today had they gone that route, a simple flip of the switch with a single live performer interacting with the screens.

The same could be said for MV3D, I guess but it'd lose so much more of it's character. They do have the capabilities, using various techniques where they could still have each balcony box in a believable 3D space (without glasses) should they go digital... but I don't really see the upside unless the goal is to either shorten the show or construct it quicker. I don't see why they couldn't still use the AAs. (At minimum, still using Statler and Waldorf)

Of the many AAs however, I suspect the Penguin Orchestra and Swedish Chefs would be the first to go in any hypothetical redo. I don't think installation of those would be possible in the Sunset space, or if possible not worth Disney's time/resources to add them back. For those instances I do see a digital version being used. Or in the case of the Penguins, possibly not used at all.

Something to consider in any case. I just wonder if the fandom would accept those changes or anything short of the original. Personally, I wouldn't mind a MV3D lite if it meant bringing the show back. The other caveat being how to re-add the 4D practical effects.
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Sounds like a bunch of cheap 3D tricks!
 
Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

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ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ said:
I don't doubt it's possible. I even suggested as much (digital) back when discussing the longevity of the Liberty Square show and how they "could" do a digital version in the windows and it still be believable. Then everyone got in a huffy... how dare I take away a performance from the puppeteers. lol But I do wonder if the show wouldn't still exist today had they gone that route, a simple flip of the switch with a single live performer interacting with the screens.

The same could be said for MV3D, I guess but it'd lose so much more of it's character. They do have the capabilities, using various techniques where they could still have each balcony box in a believable 3D space (without glasses) should they go digital... but I don't really see the upside unless the goal is to either shorten the show or construct it quicker. I don't see why they couldn't still use the AAs. (At minimum, still using Statler and Waldorf)

Of the many AAs however, I suspect the Penguin Orchestra and Swedish Chefs would be the first to go in any hypothetical redo. I don't think installation of those would be possible in the Sunset space, or if possible not worth Disney's time/resources to add them back. For those instances I do see a digital version being used. Or in the case of the Penguins, possibly not used at all.

Something to consider in any case. I just wonder if the fandom would accept those changes or anything short of the original. Personally, I wouldn't mind a MV3D lite if it meant bringing the show back. The other caveat being how to re-add the 4D practical effects.
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The only issue with scrapping the penguins entirely from the show is that it'd make some of the bits not make sense- like when Kermit says "That's you, penguins" or the whole sequence with the cannon. I think a screen at the bottom of the main screen would be feasible, or they put them on the main screen and set the 3D movie back, like fake depth. I dunno. It's possible to do a screen-heavy version of the show, but it's like... is it still the same? I'd argue no, not really. The show just isn't the same without the physical effects around you. The fact the theater destruction is mostly a practical effect using layers of scrims to hide the destroyed bits is an insane feat of special effects, and add the AAs and 4D effects on top of that and it's truly a special immersive experience. Flat screens replacing everything physical would be cheaper, but at the cost of what actually made the show special. I'd take it, of course, but I think them just reusing the assets they already have would be better in the long run. Turn Sunset Showcase into a permanent home for Muppet-related shows, no more rotating shows in that space. Then they could shell out the budget to put bubble machines and fiber optic fireworks and all that.
 
MrPromey

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TrainsOfDisney said:
If they save the AA’s I don’t think they are terribly difficult to install. Sweetums can be added digitally or…. Heaven forbid they continue to pay a CM for the role! Haha

So yes…. It almost seems as the theatre was designed with this in mind :)
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Yeah, I don't get why people bring up Sweetums as a problem. Out of all the in-theater effects, that one seems like a complete non-issue when it comes to putting this show someplace else. All they need is a door and enough space behind it to comfortably hold a castmember in costume. 🤷‍♂️
 
Tha Realest

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MrPromey said:
Yeah, I don't get why people bring up Sweetums as a problem. Out of all the in-theater effects, that one seems like a complete non-issue when it comes to putting this show someplace else. All they need is a door and enough space behind it to comfortably hold a castmember in costume. 🤷‍♂️
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Because it costs $$$ to pay multiple CMs to do that numerous times an hour over the course of each and every day.
 
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andre85

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BasiltheBatLord said:
Considering how tight the labor market has gotten overtime, I actually think it's pretty amazing they were successfully able to keep CMs in that role 12 hours a day for 30 years.
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Does anyone know how they scheduled it? Is there only one Sweetums at a time? Is there a backup if someone calls in sick? Are they in costume the whole time? Do they do anything between shows?
 
TrainsOfDisney

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andre85 said:
Does anyone know how they scheduled it? Is there only one Sweetums at a time? Is there a backup if someone calls in sick? Are they in costume the whole time? Do they do anything between shows?
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Wouldn’t it be scheduled like other characters? For example “meet Mickey” obviously has several CM’s rotating in and out throughout the day.
 

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