MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Casper Gutman]

So much fondess coming from you, we can all feel it.

Look I admire your knowledge and you're as articulate as any poster here. But you literally hate every decision Disney makes these days.

I'm glad this place gives you safe space to endless complain and bicker about it all. I don't hate my hobbies and neither do you.

But I think most is just a front: your annual pass is an endorsement that you enjoy the parks and don't hate everything. And that you'll be back again and again.

You aren't the only one.

I was going to compose a much longer post here, but I think it’s enough to say that you have a deep and profound misunderstanding of many of the conversations and posters here.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Would it help if those of us who criticize Disney created a “great things I enjoyed at Disney” thread?

I've done a few, and can do more if people want

Thread 'WED's Wonderful Kingdom'

Dec 17, 2017

Things have changed over time, but some of WED's wonderful design work is still there in Florida's Magic Kingdom:

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Thread 'Shout Out to "El Rio del Tiempo"'

May 10, 2024

In a park full of massive pavilions and elaborate shows and dark rides, the circumstances behind the creation of Mexico's boat ride make it impressive in its own way too.

As outlined in @marni1971 's tribute video and Foxx Nolte's latest book, the ride was basically a last minute edition to the World Showcase opening line up. Changing from a phase 2 ambition to a phase 1 necessity with limited space and budget to work with.

That Claude Coats and the rest of WED were able to scrape together a long form, high capacity ride that was still charming is incredible in hindsight...

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[lazyboy97o]

I was going to compose a much longer post here, but I think it’s enough to say that you have a deep and profound misunderstanding of many of the conversations and posters here.

it’s always such a weird flex as it would require a creepy amount of stalking.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I wouldn't begrudge anyone who dislikes Disney's recent decisions for spending the money to see something like Muppet-Vision 3D one more time before it closes.

Since nothing is sacred, and WDW is always subject to change, I say enjoy it while you can.

 

[mattpeto]

I was going to compose a much longer post here, but I think it’s enough to say that you have a deep and profound misunderstanding of many of the conversations and posters here.

You're probably right and I respect that.

As someone is mostly excited about the projects, it's hard to endure the endless criticism.

I don't feel RoA is some sacred ground like most of you. It's more important out at West (especially with Fantasmic!).

I'd be aggravated if they were filling in World Showcase. You got me there.

 

[mattpeto]

it’s always such a weird flex as it would require a creepy amount of stalking.

Not following honestly.

 

[JackCH]

I think in general assuming the motive or intent of someone you disagree with is a poor move. And is where a lot of the conversations deteriorate.

Not everyone who is positive about the new announcements are stupid/unsophisticated. And not everyone who is critical is putting on a front or just being cynics.

 

[Agent H]

Would it help if those of us who criticize Disney created a “great things I enjoyed at Disney” thread? I have a great time visiting the parks - but still criticize decisions I simply don’t understand. (typing this from Disneyland)

I would unironically like to see that. Not because I think everyone’s a negative Nancy but because I feel like it would be fun for everyone. That’s why I create threads like these https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/best-thing-at-each-disney-park-post-2010.985504/

 

[SamusAranX]

Thanks for the insult.
I didn't need to ride the boat to enjoy the ambiance of the scenery.

No no! Parks are all about the rides! More rides and more E Tickets! If it isn’t a E Ticket based on Turning Red replacing Space Mountain, it’s worthless!

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

If it isn’t a E Ticket based on Turning Red replacing Space Mountain, it’s worthless!

Don’t give them ideas….. 4 town music is surely the future!

 

[SamusAranX]

I would agree the company as a whole doesn’t have the same quality of films as it used to.

But for the parks- there are more rides and attractions today my family loves than there was 20 years ago. We still make great memories there and love staying on property. It remains our favorite getaway, and we overall are excited about the newly announced things even though I wish it was expansion rather than replacement.

And I admire other posters’ views of the park as art and history and the insightful critiques, but I ultimately think Disney World is about families having fun together. And honestly? I think my family will have more fun in the cars area than RoA, and that’s what it comes down to to me.

Legit question and I don’t mean this in a snarky way; but why do you and your family still stay at the resort properties; having seen the subtraction of value offset by the additional costs the past few years?

 

[Centauri Space Station]

That’s the point… the original themes are being erased and replaced with IP of the day.

DHS is “no longer a studio”
DAK is “no longer about the animals”
Epcot is “no longer Epcot”
Etc.

it wasn’t a studio since 95
It’s about nature and conservation AND animals still

 

[JackCH]

Legit question and I don’t mean this in a snarky way; but why do you and your family still stay at the resort properties; having seen the subtraction of value offset by the additional costs the past few years?

Costs are up at all the hotels in Orlando, inside or outside the property. You can still get deals as pass holders/Florida residents that are pretty good if you know how to look and make the difference a lot less stark. The value of the theming of the resorts, the convenience to parks, not having to deal with parking, etc, are still worth it to us.

At the end of the day, staying at Port Orleans Riverside (our normal go-to) makes our Disney vacations feel much more “magical” than if we stayed off property. You still have the theming, the towels in Disney shapes, and a lot of other little things that we feel still makes the additional cost worth it.

We don’t do it every time as we are a family on a budget, but we notice a marked increase of enjoyment staying on property rather than off.

 

[donaldtoo]

Last set was mostly from the 1950's.

Certainly was the heyday of folks driving out and visiting national parks.

CBJ was originally designed for the Mineral King Ski Resort in Cali, that never came to fruition.
The resort would have opened in the late 60’s, or so. I know Marc Davis was heavily involved in the design of CBJ.
I’ve always associated Frontierland with old west frontier, but after MKSR was cancelled, they didn’t wanna’ shelve CBJ, so Frontierland was the most logical place to locate it.
It opened on Oct. 1st, 1971.
So, there’s a bit of a disconnect there, but nothing compared to this “Cars” modern off-road racing thing.

 

[Tha Realest]

Disney DOES NOT HAVE TO REPLACE OLD ATTRACTIONS TO BUILD NEW ONES. That is a CHOICE, and it is a choice they ONLY make regularly in Florida, the resort in which there is the LEAST reason to make that choice.

I have a theory that WDW internally has a finite cap on how high they will permit their operational costs to go. It’s why I think we’re seeing a replacement of operationally (think Splash Mountain AA maintenance, River boat operations) or entertainment CM intensive attractions. And it’s why we’re not seeing much in the way of classic expansion that extends out the footprint or requires big increases in staffing.

 

[donaldtoo]

How is something being more opening ended ridiculously convoluted?

Adventureland isn't set in one time period ... Fantasyland isn't set it one time period, tomorrow land isn't set in one time period

Why is it now convoluted for Frontierland to be more expansive in its scope?

Adventureland implies general adventure, no matter the time or place.
Fantasyland implies general fantasy, no matter the time or place.
Tomorrowland implies general tomorrow, no matter the time or place, as long as it’s tomorrow.
Again, Frontierland, to me anyway, implies old west frontier (around 1870) and that’s the way it was originally all set up, sans the already discussed CBJ.
Everything from Pecos Bill to BTMR to ROA and the Liberty Belle to TSI, etc. were all themed for that era.
Heck, if it’s all suddenly such an “open-ended frontier” now, Iger should buy the rights to Star Trek, ‘cause you know…”Space: the final frontier”, and shoehorn an attraction based on that in there.
Where does the “open-ended” end…?!?!?!
Might as well just rename it “Whateverland”.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I’ve always associated Frontierland with old west frontier, but after MKSR was cancelled, they didn’t wanna’ shelve CBJ, so Frontierland was the most logical place to locate it.

"was the most logical place" is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

It implies it really didn't belong there because it (the CBJ) wasn't, as you say the "old west frontier."

But... gotta stick it somewhere!

But when you try to make a lot of very disparate attractions *fit* into a small list of thematic lands, you're gonna get a lot of "doesn't fit, but, it's the most logical place."

My solution is to rename the land (and consequently, it's overarching theme) to something broader. Call it "Americana" or "Continental U.S.A" and suddenly, everything logically fits.

 

[donaldtoo]

Its not that people complain on this site. Fine, everyone has their opinions. But some people post all day long. Just every other post is the SAME person saying the SAME thing. I love the discussions, but they are mostly populated by a few posters just arguing their same point again and again ad nauseam. Maybe there should be a limit. Like after ten posts in a day you get a notification that tells you to go outside and play in the sunshine. Or a note that says “thank you; your opinion has been noted. Now it is time to give others the chance to express their opinion”…..

Yes, that’ll go over like a loud, smelly fart in church.

 

[TheRealSkull]

It was rumored in 2012-13 that a copy of California Adventure's Cars Land would be built in DHS in the space where Galaxy's Edge currently sits. The then-rumored Star Wars Land would have taken over the Echo Lake/Indiana Jones area. I'm a little irritated they didn't go this route, because I feel like DHS would have had a better layout than what we currently have today.

Who's really to say what they would have done, but if they had gone this direction, Cars in Frontierland might have seemed redundant.

 

[donaldtoo]

"was the most logical place" is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

It implies it really didn't belong there because it (the CBJ) wasn't, as you say the "old west frontier."

But... gotta stick it somewhere!

But when you try to make a lot of very disparate attractions *fit* into a small list of thematic lands, you're gonna get a lot of "doesn't fit, but, it's the most logical place."

My solution is to rename the land (and consequently, it's overarching theme) to something broader. Call it "Americana" or "Continental U.S.A" and suddenly, everything logically fits.

“Heavy lifting” on whose part…? I didn’t detect any heavy lifting for me.
Ultimately, IMO, and I’m not implying, I’m saying, it doesn’t really belong in Frontierland, but where else were they gonna’ “stick it”…Fantasyland, Tomorrowland…? You make the call.

As far as your second to last paragraph goes…
Yes, yes you will. Pretty much what I was saying.

I already came up with a new name for “Frontierland” back there in another post…
“Whateverland”.