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britain

britain

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Disney Irish said:
Unless something has changed, and this announcement doesn't give me any reason to believe it has, the crosswalk is being removed, as that is one of the main features of this project and why Anaheim approved it because they want the crosswalk removed for better car traffic flow on Harbor.

Remember this plan is basically like the original plan from 2016 just with some tweaks and accommodations for the Harbor businesses. And the plan was always for all Pumbaa lot guests to come down to the ground and go through security. IF, and its a big if, there will be security screening on the east side of Harbor before the bridge I still expect it to be at ground level like in the original plan. Anything else and I expect they would have put it in the announcement as it would be a feature to highlight, such as Brickey's thought that the Pumbaa lot guest would have their own dedicated security, etc. So no I don't expect that is going to happen here, all security will be before entering the bridge, or it'll be after the bridge in the esplanade.
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I agree that we don't see an east-west crosswalk here, but it very well could be there just out of frame. It's possible there is a similar tower on the east side and any shmoe who wants to cross the street would be expected to walk to a tower, go up, walk along the bridge, and walk back down again.

But, I really think the idea is to move as much security to the new eastern garage. If that's the case, then the bridge can't be "contaminated" by public people wanting to just use the bridge to cross the street. There will be smaller security gates here on the ground floor for Harbor pedestrians (seen here either at the bottom of the new sign or above the new sign), but I believe they'll get to it by the ol' reliable crosswalk.

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truecoat

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chadwpalm said:
Agreed. There's no need for another elevator on the east side. The pedestrian entrance will still be open on Harbor, so that should satisfy the hotels that were complaining. Plus, those crossing Harbor on the bridge will have already gone through security. People going up an elevator on the east side of Harbor will not have. Hotel guests and pedestrians on Harbor will have to cross the crosswalk and go through security after going under the new Disneyland sign shown in the concept art.
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The bridge will have seperated pathways. One for the security check, one for people crossing harbor. This helps with the hotels and business on Harbor.

People exiting the resort can go right across harbor to the other side and down the elevator or ramp.

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Disney Irish

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britain said:
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I agree that we don't see an east-west crosswalk here, but it very well could be there just out of frame. It's possible there is a similar tower on the east side and any shmoe who wants to cross the street would be expected to walk to a tower, go up, walk along the bridge, and walk back down again.

But, I really think the idea is to move as much security to the new eastern garage. If that's the case, then the bridge can't be "contaminated" by public people wanting to just use the bridge to cross the street. There will be smaller security gates here on the ground floor for Harbor pedestrians (seen here either at the bottom of the new sign or above the new sign), but I believe they'll get to it by the ol' reliable crosswalk.

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I expect that the bridge will have east and west traffic, so if someone needs to come across the street that they would go up the tower cross the bridge and then come back down either via a ramp or another tower to access either side of the street. Any other way doesn't make sense, as why do you need access to the bridge then if the crosswalk is still available? Just avoid the bridge completely and use the crosswalk. So no I fully expect the crosswalk is gone, and just like the announcement says the bridge will be accessible to all pedestrian traffic coming from and going to Harbor. And note it doesn't just say one side of Harbor, it says Harbor, indicating that its accessible from BOTH sides.
 
britain

britain

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I don't think there's enough space to have that wide pedestrian bridge AND another one of those towers on the east side of Harbor.

Not without buying and destroying another hotel.
 
britain

britain

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Disney Irish said:
why do you need access to the bridge then if the crosswalk is still available? Just avoid the bridge completely and use the crosswalk.
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So that guests that came via car and parked in the garage can access the Harbor restaurants without walking all the way around the block (like the original plan).
 
Disney Irish

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britain said:
I don't think there's enough space to have that wide pedestrian bridge AND another one of those towers on the east side of Harbor.

Not without buying and destroying another hotel.
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Why? You can just make it part of the support column, they do it with pedestrian bridges all the time. Or maybe its not a tower at all on the east side, maybe its just ramp. Or maybe its just a bank of elevators that are built into the bridge. Or any number of other ways it can be done without needing much more space.
 
britain

britain

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Obviously two towers and a walking bridge would make everything more convenient for Harbor guests, but I simply don't think there's space on the east side for a second tower. And I think retaining the crosswalk and providing smaller pedestrian security gates is the extent of an accommodation Disney is going to provide.
 
britain

britain

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I think Disney really wants the bridge to be 100% "Welcome to the Resort" or "We Hope You Had a Nice Time at the Resort". They want every inch of its width for that purpose only. I predict that them backing off of the earlier plan's "No crosswalk, no pedestrian access across Harbor other than walking around the whole block and entering our garage security bubble" is as far as they will bend.
 
chadwpalm

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I don't know exactly what a Bricky is, but it's pretty clear in the concept art that the the pedestrian bridge over Harbor bypasses the security on the west side of Harbor. Harbor guests will walk under the bridge and go through security as outlined in my yellow lines.

The people crossing the bridge would have to have already gone through security.

I don't see why anything on the east side of Harbor would need to be drastically altered from the original plan in 2016.

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You would go from ground level up to bridge level where my red arrow is. All of the transportation will be on the east side.....busses, shuttles, etc. I think everyone will be going through security at ground level just as the concept shows. It makes the most sense.
 
Disney Irish

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britain said:
So that guests that came via car and parked in the garage can access the Harbor restaurants without walking all the way around the block (like the original plan).
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But that would indicate then that there HAS to be a way to exit/enter the bridge from the eastern side, otherwise you'd have to have those same people cross the crosswalk both ways in order to access those businesses AND still access the bridge. That would defeat the whole purpose of having a bridge that is publicly accessible in the first place. At that point you don't need the tower on the west side then.
 
Disney Irish

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chadwpalm said:
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I don't know exactly what a Bricky is, but it's pretty clear in the concept art that the the pedestrian bridge over Harbor bypasses the security on the west side of Harbor. Harbor guests will walk under the bridge and go through security as outlined in my yellow lines.

The people crossing the bridge would have to have already gone through security.

I don't see why anything on the east side of Harbor would need to be drastically altered from the original plan in 2016.

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You would go from ground level up to bridge level where my red arrow is. All of the transportation will be on the east side.....busses, shuttles, etc. I think everyone will be going through security at ground level just as the concept shows. It makes the most sense.
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In the original plan you entered the bridge from ground level via a ramp, so in your scenario that would drastically alter the plan as that would require them to have to build the bridge assumingly into the parking structure which wasn't originally the plan.

The updated plan they had talked about when they were trying to revise the original 2016 plan was having the bridge on the west side dump out into security screening not bypass it. And I honestly suspect that is what will happen here, if the security screening isn't on the Eastern side.
 
britain

britain

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chadwpalm said:
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I don't know exactly what a Bricky is, but it's pretty clear in the concept art that the the pedestrian bridge over Harbor bypasses the security on the west side of Harbor. Harbor guests will walk under the bridge and go through security as outlined in my yellow lines.

The people crossing the bridge would have to have already gone through security.

I don't see why anything on the east side of Harbor would need to be drastically altered from the original plan in 2016.

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You would go from ground level up to bridge level where my red arrow is. All of the transportation will be on the east side.....busses, shuttles, etc. I think everyone will be going through security at ground level just as the concept shows. It makes the most sense.
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Yes - I think it's pretty much the same plan except for a small accommodation for pedestrians on the West side of Harbor, and the structure will be on top of the bus area, and the garage security section will be on an upper level. (Oh, and the monorail path now stays the same.)

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Disney Irish

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britain said:
I think Disney really wants the bridge to be 100% "Welcome to the Resort" or "We Hope You Had a Nice Time at the Resort". They want every inch of its width for that purpose only. I predict that them backing off of the earlier plan's "No crosswalk, no pedestrian access across Harbor other than walking around the whole block and entering our garage security bubble" is as far as they will bend.
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It wasn't Disney that was trying to get rid of the crosswalk, it was the City of Anaheim. Also the bridge can be as wide as they want and the City will allow, so there is nothing that says they can't have a very wide bridge.
 
chadwpalm

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In the Parks
No
britain said:
Yes - I think it's pretty much the same plan except for a small accommodation for pedestrians on the West side of Harbor, and the structure will be on top of the bus area, and the garage security section will be on an upper level. (Oh, and the monorail path now stays the same.)

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Ok, I missed the part of the blog that states that the garage will be there and not in Pumba anymore.
 
Disney Irish

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britain said:
Yes - I think it's pretty much the same plan except for a small accommodation for pedestrians on the West side of Harbor, and the structure will be on top of the bus area, and the garage security section will be on an upper level. (Oh, and the monorail path now stays the same.)

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So how would guests coming in from the bus area get access to the bridge then if its accessible only from the structure which is seems to be what you guys are saying?

Also if the structure will now be on top of the bus area, which is a major change btw, why limit it to only 6000 spaces? That would indicate that the entire area should be usable which is a WHOLE lot more than 6000 spaces.
 

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