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The problem there is that you are quoting me from Saturday, where I was referring to only Thursday/Friday data that came in Saturday morning, before we had full weekend estimates as quoted in that Deadline article from Sunday.
But, now that we have the full weekend's data to use (because it's now Tuesday) the numbers look different than they did Saturday morning. Lilo & Stich has now made $361,300,000 at the global box office as of last night.
Using that updated data through Monday, the formula used for global box office still stands as very useful.
A couple things there. First, it's not that bad. My calculations after this weekend's full box office has come in puts Burbank at a $460 Million loss and narrowing.
Second, they aren't "my calculations" for production costs. They are the costs attributed to The Numbers website who uses widely reported data from reputable industry sources like Variety, The Hollywood Reporter, etc. The marketing costs I use are the widely accepted formula that most studios spend at least half their production budget on marketing. But with Disney's bloated mega-budget movies, I purposely cap that at $100 Million. Unless, Disney themselves admits they spent more, like the $140 Million they bragged they spent on marketing The Little Mermaid to prove to the Silver Lake brunch crowd that they aren't racists. But generally, it's 50% of production or $100 Million on marketing, whichever is smaller.
And third, I was responding to someone who noted Disney had just crossed the $2 Billion box office figure for 2025, but they were including the two movies released in the last month of 2024 (Moana 2 and Mufasa) who both had successful box office performance for the next several months. We can certainly back out those 2024 movies and pretend that they didn't sell tickets in Winter, 2025 if you'd like.
That would look like this...
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Captain America 4: $180 Production, $90 Marketing, $120 Domestic, $85 Overseas = $65 Million Loss
Snow White: $270 Production, $100 Marketing, $52 Domestic, $47 Overseas = $271 Million Loss
The Amateur: $60 Production, $30 Marketing, $25 Domestic, $21 Overseas = $44 Million Loss
Thunderbolts: $180 Production, $90 Marketing, $105 Domestic, $73 Overseas = $92 Million Loss and Narrowing
Lilo & Stitch: $100 Production, $100 Marketing*, $110 Domestic, $72 Overseas = $18 Million Loss and Narrowing FAST!
*Out of formula marketing budget of $100 Million per Variety reporting last week.
Burbank Total Thus Far on 5/27/25 = $460 Million Loss, but narrowing nicely thanks to Lilo & Stitch
Based on the numbers above, it would look to me like Lilo & Stitch needs to pull in about another $900 Million at the global box office to erase that $460 Million deficit Burbank is currently in. The exact amount depends on the domestic/overseas ticketing mix obviously, but right now Lilo & Stitch is not performing like it should overseas. That's the only downside to the otherwise good news for that cheaply made movie.
Actually the post I was quoting you from was Sunday afternoon after the Deadline update I posted already came out, not Saturday. You got the numbers wrong with your "math", it happens, just admit it and move on instead of trying to now save face and claim you were posting from Saturday that was "outdated" information.
As for the rest, @BrianLo has already been through this with you on the marketing budget you've been trying to attribute to the theatrical only portion while ignoring the rest of the potential earnings of a film. So he (and others) have tried to give you a bit more accurate calculation to use for theatrical only profit/loss, but you refuse. So its the reason why you continue to be questioned on your "math" since you are off on most of them most of the time.
And Stitch really only needs to hit $850M total to clear any losses from 2025 theatrical only revenue.
My hunch is that Lilo & Stitch won't quite break $1 Billion owing to its weaker overseas box office thus far.
Also are you really now saying this when just a few minutes before you posted this?
Lilo & Stitch looks headed to an easy Billion at the box office,
So which is it? Is it going to make an easy Billion or is it not going quite hit a Billion?