MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[TrainsOfDisney]

It’s been on again, off again, and seasonal for decades. Decent is probably the best you could say and even that’s a stretch.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make. From a guest perspective I enjoyed eating there.

 

[Incomudro]

I'm pointing out the fact that that plot of land could be far more profitable for Disney -- so much so that it would almost certainly justify shutting down Jungle Cruise from a Disney ROI perspective.

That's not really the case for many other Disney attractions; most could only be replaced by a single new ride on the same footprint. That could still potentially increase profitability, but not to nearly the same extent.

Jungle Cruise is almost unique due to the huge plot it occupies. It's roughly as large (and maybe larger) than the whole Frontierland/Liberty Square section of RoA, including all of Tom Sawyer Island. I think Speedway is the only comparable attraction in terms of footprint, but there are issues with developing there that the Jungle Cruise plot would not have.

As I said, I don't think they have any plans to replace Jungle Cruise right now, but I also don't think anyone should be surprised if they decide to at some point for business reasons.

With the removal of ROA, if they were to also remove Jungle Cruise - I might never go back again.

 

[graphite1326]

With the removal of ROA, if they were to also remove Jungle Cruise - I might never go back again.

I may not anyway. I hate this idea.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The removal of ROA plus, the removal of Splash put a serious distaste in the Magic Kingdom for me.

When the railroad closes for construction I will have very little reason to visit MK. I can see the fireworks from the resorts.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Not sure Disney cares too much about standby wait time

Too many too long queues reduces a guest's ability to ride enough rides to be happy about their expensive trip.

Unsatisfied customers leads to lower GSAT.

Lower GSATs is correlated with people buying less in the park and not coming back.

That leads to less profit.

Disney does keep their eye on the GSAT. Iger has mentioned it several times throughout the years.

 

[Disstevefan1]

When the railroad closes for construction I will have very little reason to visit MK. I can see the fireworks from the resorts.

Its gonna be bad.

But look, Disney raised the prices of the top Halloween party tickets because they sell out!

Also for the "Never Universal" folks, EPIC is got doing so well as we approach the opening day.

I will say now, MK will keep its crown as the most visited theme park in 2025.

 

[Purduevian]

Too many too long queues reduces a guest's ability to ride enough rides to be happy about their expensive trip.

Unsatisfied customers leads to lower GSAT.

Lower GSATs is correlated with people buying less in the park and not coming back.

That leads to less profit.

Disney does keep their eye on the GSAT. Iger has mentioned it several times throughout the years.

I feel like I remember someone saying that Disney aims for each guest to experience 7 "things" each day of their visit to keep GSAT at an acceptable level.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I'm doubtful the RR will close. The Frontierland station isn't changing. And I don't think Car/Villains is going beyond the tracks.

They're doing a major refurb of BTMR without closing the RR. I would imagine they could do the same with Carlains.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I'm doubtful the RR will close. The Frontierland station isn't changing. And I don't think Car/Villains is going beyond the tracks.

They're doing a major refurb of BTMR without closing the RR. I would imagine they could do the same with Carlains.

if Villians is within the tracks is that a decent amount of space?

 

[Kamikaze]

When the railroad closes for construction I will have very little reason to visit MK. I can see the fireworks from the resorts.

Okay.

 

[Tha Realest]

There is room for the moana ride without taking anything out (except a path).

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I don’t disagree. But there’s also ways to build Villains Land and a Monsters Inc coaster without getting rid of what’s already there, and yet here we are.

 

[James Alucobond]

if Villians is within the tracks is that a decent amount of space?

Yes. That doesn’t mean they’ll utilize the space efficiently, but it’s a good chunk of land since they’re reclaiming the Rivers. I suspect you’ll have a walled-in section of the train ride between Frontierland and Fantasyland Stations for quite a while, but it doesn’t seem like it should disrupt its actual operations until (or rather if) they eventually develop the planned laydown yards.

 

[Bocabear]

Well we would lose the settings that are visible from the train, so basically everything from the far edge of Big Thunder to the Fantasyland station will be a construction zone...I doubt the Indian village or any of the other settings will ever return or be reused.... So when the train does begin again, unless there is a plan to add a lot of new settings, it will be just swampy scrub and back of house roads... Not that it really has much to see now.....

 

[James Alucobond]

Well we would lose the settings that are visible from the train, so basically everything from the far edge of Big Thunder to the Fantasyland station will be a construction zone...I doubt the Indian village or any of the other settings will ever return or be reused.... So when the train does begin again, unless there is a plan to add a lot of new settings, it will be just swampy scrub and back of house roads... Not that it really has much to see now.....

Not necessarily. We don’t really know how everything will be oriented. The train may look into a large portion of the new land. If the laydown yards are indicative of areas being considered for future development, it may even come to pass that an International Gateway-esque secondary entrance is added that crosses over or under the train for a superdeluxe resort.

 

[aladdin2007]

I'm doubtful the RR will close. The Frontierland station isn't changing. And I don't think Car/Villains is going beyond the tracks.

They're doing a major refurb of BTMR without closing the RR. I would imagine they could do the same with Carlains.

I dont see how it can't? They have to get in back there and remove an entire island and waterway system, there are no access roads between it and the tracks or even outside of the tracks, except for way off to the left but thats not direct access by any means without going through woods and past the track, unlike Thunder. Im looking at google earth so just trying to eyeball how it can be done without the railroad closing.

 

[MisterPenguin]

if Villians is within the tracks is that a decent amount of space?

Yes.

Josh said Carlains would be taking up the same acreage as SWL, and that's what RoA plus all the undeveloped land up to the tracks take up.

 

[James Alucobond]

I dont see how it can't? They have to get in back there and remove an entire island and waterway system, there are no access roads between it and the tracks or even outside of the tracks, except for way off to the left but thats not direct access by any means without going through woods and past the track, unlike Thunder. Im looking at google earth so just trying to eyeball how it can be done without the railroad closing.

They can drain the Rivers like they always do and move machinery and materials in or out from the laydown yards overnight.

 

[aladdin2007]

They can drain the Rivers like they always do and move machinery and materials in or out from the laydown yards overnight.

Which I get, but this is going to be major earth moving this time.

 

[James Alucobond]

Which I get, but this is going to be major earth moving this time.

We honestly don’t really have a good sense of how extensively the existing topography will change. They look to be using part of the existing river basin for water features facing into Frontierland and much of the rest for a lower level of the Cars track. Rockwork will generally either be largely hollow or concealing buildings. They moved a ton of earth and building materials in and out of the center of the park for EPCOT without adding an all-day path to the exterior. They can do it even more easily here with the tracks being the only thing in the way.

 

[aladdin2007]

We honestly don’t really have a good sense of how extensively the existing topography will change. They look to be using part of the existing river basin for water features facing into Frontierland and much of the rest for a lower level of the Cars track. Rockwork will generally either be largely hollow or concealing buildings. They moved a ton of earth and building materials in and out of the center of the park for EPCOT without adding an all-day path to the exterior. They can do it even more easily here with the tracks being the only thing in the way.

Makes sense, lets hope a portion of it is saved in some form.