Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[DisneyWarrior27]

I believe Disney will be king of the box office in 2025 also…. IMO the 3 surest bets on films to cross the billion dollar mark are all Disney….Stitch, Zootopia, and Avatar

And The Fantastic Four.

Don’t forget that one too.

 

[Disney Irish]

I don’t even know what your point is anymore.. doing these little dances…as far as I can tell Bob Iger has really affected your thought process… and are not happy with anyone giving Disney money… sort of a “ do as I say not as I do”

You are the first who made a comment on the “art house” studio…. I assumed you
Meant Searchlight Studios…. You complain about others with excuses…. Most others on this board I have not seen change their thoughts But you created so much confusion with your word salad…just to spin a Disney is a failure narrative

I don't even think he knows his own point anymore. Just, Iger bad = Disney bad, Iger go now. Iger takes up every inch of space in his head that I think he still believe that many of us are Iger fans.

 

[Disney Irish]

And The Fantastic Four.

Don’t forget that one too.

While I agree, unfortunately some around here think it'll flop or under perform too.

 

[DisneyWarrior27]

While I agree, unfortunately some around here think it'll flop or under perform too.

They’re wrong.

They cannot see what I see, especially after it’s first trailer from February debuted to over 200 million views worldwide in its first 24 hours to make it the 10th biggest trailer launch ever.

 

[Disney Irish]

They’re wrong.

They cannot see what I see, especially after it’s first trailer from February debuted to over 200 million views worldwide in its first 24 hours to make it the 10th biggest trailer launch ever.

Again I agree, but in all fairness trailer views don't always equate to ticket sales. So we'll have to see what happens in July.

 

[Tha Realest]

They’re wrong.

They cannot see what I see, especially after it’s first trailer from February debuted to over 200 million views worldwide in its first 24 hours to make it the 10th biggest trailer launch ever.

The only MCU films post Endgame that made over $1 billion are the Spider-Man films and Deadpool vs. Wolverine. It’s a new film series within the franchise. $700-$800M would be a great success.

And you were confident you saw (see?) a return to hand drawn animation. So maybe sit this one out?

 

[Disstevefan1]

Now who is the one with excuses. If they still rule the box office and others can't overtake them then they are still the leader, it doesn't matter how they do it.

Well technically if the are at the top of the box office gross, they did sell the most tickets.

If they lost at the box office because they spent too much to make and market a movie that is a separate issue.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

While I agree, unfortunately some around here think it'll flop or under perform too.

So post a prediction…let’s hear it?

They’re wrong.

They cannot see what I see, especially after it’s first trailer from February debuted to over 200 million views worldwide in its first 24 hours to make it the 10th biggest trailer launch ever.

Settle down, son…you’re new to this game

 

[Disstevefan1]

Last I checked Disney Studios doesn't actually lose money very often, no matter what happens at the theaters.

I wouldn't know. I don't have access to their books.

This thread was about box office gross.

If a movie makes or loses money at the box office is easily calculated.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Again I agree, but in all fairness trailer views don't always equate to ticket sales. So we'll have to see what happens in July.

Fantastic four has always had a lot in common with the muppets.

I’m interested to see how this one breaks?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Last I checked Disney Studios doesn't actually lose money very often, no matter what happens at the theaters. And even when it does its not by the huge sums that some around here claim.

So yeah its the cost of doing business, one that Disney seems to be doing better than most of its peers.

I wouldn't know. I don't have access to their books.

This thread was about box office gross.

If a movie makes or loses money at the box office is easily calculated.

Because it’s a lot of corporate accounting that goes on after the fact.

We just went over this like two weeks ago…the financial losses they posted on their actual books from their murderers row slate of 2023 were higher than what we armchair geniuses here threw around

 

[Disney Irish]

Well technically if the are at the top of the box office gross, they did sell the most tickets.

Correct, which is the point.

If they lost at the box office because they spent too much to make and market a movie that is a separate issue.

Again that is beside the point, and yes a separate issue.

I wouldn't know. I don't have access to their books.

This thread was about box office gross.

If a movie makes or loses money at the box office is easily calculated.

Except its not easily calculated which has been discussed for a long time in this thread.

 

[Disney Irish]

So post a prediction…let’s hear it?

I don't need to post a prediction. Do I think it'll do well, yes. But by how much, I don't know nor will post a specific amount. And I haven't for a long time now.

Settle down, son…you’re new to this game

Easy there. We don't stomp down any opinions here.

 

[Disney Irish]

Because it’s a lot of corporate accounting that goes on after the fact.

We just went over this like two weeks ago…the financial losses they posted on their actual books from their murderers row slate of 2023 were higher than what we armchair geniuses here threw around

Ah yes, your conspiracy theory of cooked books. If you have any proof please file an SEC claim.

And no the actuals from 2023 were actually a lot lower than the $1.2B or whatever TP and others claimed here.

 

[Disney Irish]

Fantastic four has always had a lot in common with the muppets.

I’m interested to see how this one breaks?

I don't know if I'd use Muppets as the comparison. But I agree it'll be interesting to see what its box office will be.

 

[Agent H]

Ah yes, your conspiracy theory of cooked books. If you have any proof please file an SEC claim.

And no the actuals from 2023 were actually a lot lower than the $1.2B or whatever TP and others claimed here.

No no. Don’t you see it? they had to have lied because they were absolutely undeniably bad movies! How do you not see it?

 

[Disstevefan1]

Except its not easily calculated which has been discussed for a long time in this thread.

Debatable. The posted budget times 2.5 is the consensus here. The real stinkers don't even make that.

Yes, I know, we do not know the true budgets or the true costs of marketing.

 

[Disney Irish]

Debatable. The posted budget times 2.5 is the consensus here. The real stinkers don't even make that.

Yes, I know, we do not know the true budgets or the true costs of marketing.

It’s a rule of thumb, it’s meant to give averages not hard facts. Yes we like to use it because it gives a partial picture of where things are, but it’s just that, not complete. Too many forget or just plain ignore all other aspects of how a movie makes money. And so because of that it’s always going to be an inaccurate representation of the money Disney actually makes with their movies. Which is why this idea that there is some corporate shell game going on with the financials is just plain wrong and quite frankly insulting to those that actually follow the financials. It’s a false narrative that can’t be proven and those that push it know it.

And quite honestly unless you have some narrative you’re trying to push, it really doesn’t matter all that much how much a movie makes during theatrical, which again is the point.

 

[Disstevefan1]

It’s a rule of thumb, it’s meant to give averages not hard facts. Yes we like to use it because it gives a partial picture of where things are, but it’s just that, not complete. Too many forget or just plain ignore all other aspects of how a movie makes money.

Again, the thread was about how Disney will take the crown for the box office gross in 2025 and that is why the discussion was focused on box office.

They probably will. The question is how much will it cost them for that crown.

 

[brideck]

Again, the thread was about how Disney will take the crown for the box office gross in 2025 and that is why the discussion was focused on box office.

They probably will. The question is how much will it cost them for that crown.

I'm really confused by the line of, er, reasoning(?) that has taken over the last couple pages of the thread. Are there really people who think that Disney will be the #1 grosser in 2025, but somehow not make a profit on their movie slate because... goodness.

I was just showing data the other week about how their hits are bigger than their misses (even their bombs) by an order of magnitude. It really should just take one movie popping off to put the whole year in the black, even with Snow White on the books.