Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Disney Irish]

They’re wrong.

They cannot see what I see, especially after it’s first trailer from February debuted to over 200 million views worldwide in its first 24 hours to make it the 10th biggest trailer launch ever.

Again I agree, but in all fairness trailer views don't always equate to ticket sales. So we'll have to see what happens in July.

 

[Tha Realest]

They’re wrong.

They cannot see what I see, especially after it’s first trailer from February debuted to over 200 million views worldwide in its first 24 hours to make it the 10th biggest trailer launch ever.

The only MCU films post Endgame that made over $1 billion are the Spider-Man films and Deadpool vs. Wolverine. It’s a new film series within the franchise. $700-$800M would be a great success.

And you were confident you saw (see?) a return to hand drawn animation. So maybe sit this one out?

 

[Disstevefan1]

Now who is the one with excuses. If they still rule the box office and others can't overtake them then they are still the leader, it doesn't matter how they do it.

Well technically if the are at the top of the box office gross, they did sell the most tickets.

If they lost at the box office because they spent too much to make and market a movie that is a separate issue.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

While I agree, unfortunately some around here think it'll flop or under perform too.

So post a prediction…let’s hear it?

They’re wrong.

They cannot see what I see, especially after it’s first trailer from February debuted to over 200 million views worldwide in its first 24 hours to make it the 10th biggest trailer launch ever.

Settle down, son…you’re new to this game

 

[Disstevefan1]

Last I checked Disney Studios doesn't actually lose money very often, no matter what happens at the theaters.

I wouldn't know. I don't have access to their books.

This thread was about box office gross.

If a movie makes or loses money at the box office is easily calculated.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Again I agree, but in all fairness trailer views don't always equate to ticket sales. So we'll have to see what happens in July.

Fantastic four has always had a lot in common with the muppets.

I’m interested to see how this one breaks?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Last I checked Disney Studios doesn't actually lose money very often, no matter what happens at the theaters. And even when it does its not by the huge sums that some around here claim.

So yeah its the cost of doing business, one that Disney seems to be doing better than most of its peers.

I wouldn't know. I don't have access to their books.

This thread was about box office gross.

If a movie makes or loses money at the box office is easily calculated.

Because it’s a lot of corporate accounting that goes on after the fact.

We just went over this like two weeks ago…the financial losses they posted on their actual books from their murderers row slate of 2023 were higher than what we armchair geniuses here threw around

 

[Disney Irish]

Well technically if the are at the top of the box office gross, they did sell the most tickets.

Correct, which is the point.

If they lost at the box office because they spent too much to make and market a movie that is a separate issue.

Again that is beside the point, and yes a separate issue.

I wouldn't know. I don't have access to their books.

This thread was about box office gross.

If a movie makes or loses money at the box office is easily calculated.

Except its not easily calculated which has been discussed for a long time in this thread.

 

[Disney Irish]

So post a prediction…let’s hear it?

I don't need to post a prediction. Do I think it'll do well, yes. But by how much, I don't know nor will post a specific amount. And I haven't for a long time now.

Settle down, son…you’re new to this game

Easy there. We don't stomp down any opinions here.

 

[Disney Irish]

Because it’s a lot of corporate accounting that goes on after the fact.

We just went over this like two weeks ago…the financial losses they posted on their actual books from their murderers row slate of 2023 were higher than what we armchair geniuses here threw around

Ah yes, your conspiracy theory of cooked books. If you have any proof please file an SEC claim.

And no the actuals from 2023 were actually a lot lower than the $1.2B or whatever TP and others claimed here.

 

[Disney Irish]

Fantastic four has always had a lot in common with the muppets.

I’m interested to see how this one breaks?

I don't know if I'd use Muppets as the comparison. But I agree it'll be interesting to see what its box office will be.

 

[Agent H]

Ah yes, your conspiracy theory of cooked books. If you have any proof please file an SEC claim.

And no the actuals from 2023 were actually a lot lower than the $1.2B or whatever TP and others claimed here.

No no. Don’t you see it? they had to have lied because they were absolutely undeniably bad movies! How do you not see it?

 

[Disstevefan1]

Except its not easily calculated which has been discussed for a long time in this thread.

Debatable. The posted budget times 2.5 is the consensus here. The real stinkers don't even make that.

Yes, I know, we do not know the true budgets or the true costs of marketing.

 

[Disney Irish]

Debatable. The posted budget times 2.5 is the consensus here. The real stinkers don't even make that.

Yes, I know, we do not know the true budgets or the true costs of marketing.

It’s a rule of thumb, it’s meant to give averages not hard facts. Yes we like to use it because it gives a partial picture of where things are, but it’s just that, not complete. Too many forget or just plain ignore all other aspects of how a movie makes money. And so because of that it’s always going to be an inaccurate representation of the money Disney actually makes with their movies. Which is why this idea that there is some corporate shell game going on with the financials is just plain wrong and quite frankly insulting to those that actually follow the financials. It’s a false narrative that can’t be proven and those that push it know it.

And quite honestly unless you have some narrative you’re trying to push, it really doesn’t matter all that much how much a movie makes during theatrical, which again is the point.

 

[Disstevefan1]

It’s a rule of thumb, it’s meant to give averages not hard facts. Yes we like to use it because it gives a partial picture of where things are, but it’s just that, not complete. Too many forget or just plain ignore all other aspects of how a movie makes money.

Again, the thread was about how Disney will take the crown for the box office gross in 2025 and that is why the discussion was focused on box office.

They probably will. The question is how much will it cost them for that crown.

 

[brideck]

Again, the thread was about how Disney will take the crown for the box office gross in 2025 and that is why the discussion was focused on box office.

They probably will. The question is how much will it cost them for that crown.

I'm really confused by the line of, er, reasoning(?) that has taken over the last couple pages of the thread. Are there really people who think that Disney will be the #1 grosser in 2025, but somehow not make a profit on their movie slate because... goodness.

I was just showing data the other week about how their hits are bigger than their misses (even their bombs) by an order of magnitude. It really should just take one movie popping off to put the whole year in the black, even with Snow White on the books.

 

[Disney Irish]

I'm really confused by the line of, er, reasoning(?) that has taken over the last couple pages of the thread. Are there really people who think that Disney will be the #1 grosser in 2025, but somehow not make a profit on their movie slate because... goodness.

I was just showing data the other week about how their hits are bigger than their misses (even their bombs) by an order of magnitude. It really should just take one movie popping off to put the whole year in the black, even with Snow White on the books.

You know how it is, grievances gotta continue. So anything that can be twisted will be twisted in order to show Iger is failing. Because that is what this is all about.

 

[TP2000]

Final box office is in for this past Mother's Day weekend. The re-release of Rachel Zegler's Snow White in 1,330 theaters this weekend netted Burbank a grand total of $467,113. Yay?

And with that, I think it's time to put Miss White to sleep permanently and wrap this embarrassing saga up, never to be repeated again. Broadway, you've got a new actress to work with for the next 40 years, from Hollywood with love!

Snow White: Production $270, Marketing $100, Domestic $52, Overseas $46 = $272 Million Loss

Disney’s Snow White (2025) - Financial Information

Financial analysis of Disney’s Snow White (2025) including budget, domestic and international box office gross, DVD and Blu-ray sales reports, total earnings and profitability.

thenumbers.com

 

[Disney Irish]

Again, the thread was about how Disney will take the crown for the box office gross in 2025 and that is why the discussion was focused on box office.

They probably will. The question is how much will it cost them for that crown.

Honestly I think you guys have really lost the point you all were trying to make.

All your jokes aside, if Disney is the top box office earner for the year they will make profit.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Are there really people who think that Disney will be the #1 grosser in 2025, but somehow not make a profit on their movie slate

Yes. Because math.

Lets say a movie had a budget of 180M. Folks on these boards say (180 * 2.5 = 450) it takes 450M to beak even.

Lets say a movie studio releases 5 of these movies, each losing money that make 425M

That is over 2.1 billion gross at the box office, yet none of the movies are profitable.