Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[celluloid]

Perhaps this year is a “tale of two halves?”

One would have to think that there are so many movies on the back end that they’ve got to or will turn a profit.

The question is the big log jam with Superman, Jurassic Park and FF all roughly around the same time this summer. As a guess there is only going to be so much $$$ to go around in who sees what.

Also as noted Stich and Avatar should do well so another meh, mixed bag by the time December rolls around?

Perhaps, but also Movie Industry like entertainment in other venues such as theme parks or smaller attractions show that when they are competetive, most have a better chance at winning rather than splitting the room.

Theaters having more movies that please a mass audience are more likely to have success in other films than just one winning at a time.

This is why not summer releases of Minecraft and Sinners, while counterprogramming have both earned over 200 million with ease.

 

[Disney Irish]

Ummm…cause it takes 5 years to make a movie…even if it’s terrible and greenlit by no talent A-clowns? It’s a Hollywood jobs program.

You think other studios aren’t looking to “jump in” since the “leader in family entertainment is tossing Molotovs all over the place? I bet they do…but it’s not like they can run out with vhs camcorder and start filming.

You assume stitch will do well and elio will cover budget? Safe

After that…Marvel is gonna likely underperform again…freaky Friday?…Tron?

Rough slate until Bob shifts the sequels into overdrive (to go with his next contract extension) later this year

It doesn't take 5 years to make a movie once its goes into production, that is just nuts that you believe that. It takes between 6-24 months from pre-production to post-production to release depending on the type of movie.

Also all studios have movies already in the can and ready to drop. We've seen the comments here, why didn't they move up this movie to fill this spot, why didn't they move up that movie since there was nothing here, etc. Schedules get changed all the time and movies move up and the down the calendar. So yeah other studios could jump in if they felt they could do better at the box office, but none are. Again why? Go back to what was said previously.

Also you keep blowing that contract extension horn pretty hard lately. Time to give that a rest for a while. If it happens you can do your victory lap, but until then give it a rest, its not needed every post.

 

[Disney Irish]

Disney will “win” the box office this year…most likely due to saturation

But 3 hits and 7 meh or stinkers is not nearly as dominant as it’s already gonna be made out to be.

Now who is the one with excuses. If they still rule the box office and others can't overtake them then they are still the leader, it doesn't matter how they do it.

 

[celluloid]

Now who is the one with excuses. If they still rule the box office and others can't overtake them then they are still the leader, it doesn't matter how they do it.

You missed the part with "win" in quotation marks. What is "ruling the box office" to you?
Define the term of what winning is matters.

 

[DKampy]

It doesn't take 5 years to make a movie once its goes into production, that is just nuts that you believe that. It takes between 6-24 months from pre-production to post-production to release depending on the type of movie.

Also all studios have movies already in the can and ready to drop. We've seen the comments here, why didn't they move up this movie to fill this spot, why didn't they move up that movie since there was nothing here, etc. Schedules get changed all the time and movies move up and the down the calendar. So yeah other studios could jump in if they felt they could do better at the box office, but none are. Again why? Go back to what was said previously.

Also you keep blowing that contract extension horn pretty hard lately. Time to give that a rest for a while. If it happens you can do your victory lap, but until then give it a rest, it’s not needed every post.

Agreed…. There is only 1 major new release in 2 weeks…Final Destination…, which both go after much different audiences…. And that will attract the same people no matter what time of the year…. This is in may too… the official start of summer blockbuster season these days

 

[Disney Irish]

You missed the part with "win" in quotation marks. What is "ruling the box office" to you?
Define the term of what winning is matters.

I didn't miss anything, he is being sarcastic as usual. He likes to say people give excuses here for the loses, but now he is doing the same thing for the wins. "Oh they'll win the box office, but....", come on give me a break.

Ruling the box office is the studio who brings in more money than other studios. No one counts the one who is more profitable, studios themselves don't even do that, as so many factors including the hidden Hollywood math prevents that from ever truly being known. So you go with whoever brings in the most money, which Disney has done for the better part of the last 15 years.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Now who is the one with excuses. If they still rule the box office and others can't overtake them then they are still the leader, it doesn't matter how they do it.

Excuse for what?

Your favorite arthouse studio posting red ink on a lot of its titles?

Everyone agree with that except about 4 of you…

 

[Disstevefan1]

Now who is the one with excuses. If they still rule the box office and others can't overtake them then they are still the leader, it doesn't matter how they do it.

True, even if they lose hundreds of millions of dollars to be the top grossing at the box office, they are still the top grossing at the box office.

Costly, but worth it for appearance sake . maybe we should call it "the cost of doing business"

 

[DKampy]

Excuse for what?

Your favorite arthouse studio posting red ink on a lot of its titles?

Everyone agree with that except about 4 of you…

And how many other Studios arthouse division is profitable in the theatrical window these days…. Those are largely looking towards other revenue streams through critical acclaim

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

True, even if they lose hundreds of millions of dollars to be the top grossing at the box office, they are still the top grossing at the box office.

Costly, but worth it for appearance sake . maybe we should call it "the cost of doing business"

That’s really not a crazy stance

Making better movies would be a BETTER stance…but different strokes

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And how many other Studios arthouse division is profitable in the theatrical window these days…. Those are largely looking towards other revenue streams through critical acclaim

I agree

Which is why Disney isn’t “art” at all…it’s all huge, wasteful budgets to sell stuff

I think we just had a revelation!!

 

[DKampy]

I agree

Which is why Disney isn’t “art” at all…it’s all huge, wasteful budgets to sell stuff

I think we just had a revelation!!

I don’t even know what your point is anymore.. doing these little dances…as far as I can tell Bob Iger has really affected your thought process… and are not happy with anyone giving Disney money… sort of a “ do as I say not as I do”

You are the first who made a comment on the “art house” studio…. I assumed you
Meant Searchlight Studios…. You complain about others with excuses…. Most others on this board I have not seen change their thoughts But you created so much confusion with your word salad…just to spin a Disney is a failure narrative

 

[Phroobar]

I agree

Which is why Disney isn’t “art” at all…it’s all huge, wasteful budgets to sell stuff

I think we just had a revelation!!

Yup. It's like a picture from Thomas Kinkade. They are mass produced by a corporation of people and are not considered "art" by the art world and scholars.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don’t even know what your point is anymore.. doing these little dances…as far as I can tell Bob Iger has really affected your thought process… and are not happy with anyone giving Disney money… sort of a “ do as I say not as I do”

You are the first who made a comment on the “art house” studio…. I assumed you
Meant Searchlight Studios…. You complain about others with excuses…. Most others on this board I have not seen change their thoughts But you created so much confusion with your word salad…just to spin a Disney is a failure narrative

Wait a second…you don’t like the goalposts moving?

You’re on the wrong thread…because it’s been a constant onslaught of excuses and misdirection to soften the blow of corporate studio failure on this here thread since poor Hallee Flopped like a fish out of water

 

[Disney Irish]

Excuse for what?

Your favorite arthouse studio posting red ink on a lot of its titles?

Everyone agree with that except about 4 of you…

No the fact that you use the same *but* excuse that you claim others do. "Disney will "win" the box office, most likely due to saturation", as an example. Its still a win, it doesn't matter if they release 300 movies or 3, its still a win. You like to throw shade at everyone else because they put qualifiers on things (what you call excuses), but you do the exact same thing just on the flip side.

Also no not everyone agrees, as there is a whole big world out there that goes beyond the dozen or so people that post here in this thread. And last I checked Wall St, you know the metric you keep trying to use, don't care about the movie slate or how many films Disney releases each year or if an individual or string of them bomb or even under perform. If you think it should be different and Wall St should care, cool. But that still doesn't change things.

 

[Chi84]

Wait a second…you don’t like the goalposts moving?

You’re on the wrong thread…because it’s been a constant onslaught of excuses and misdirection to soften the blow of corporate studio failure on this here thread since poor Hallee Flopped like a fish out of water

You see all reasons or explanations as “excuses,” which makes discussion difficult.

 

[Disney Irish]

True, even if they lose hundreds of millions of dollars to be the top grossing at the box office, they are still the top grossing at the box office.

Costly, but worth it for appearance sake . maybe we should call it "the cost of doing business"

Last I checked Disney Studios doesn't actually lose money very often, no matter what happens at the theaters. And even when it does its not by the huge sums that some around here claim.

So yeah its the cost of doing business, one that Disney seems to be doing better than most of its peers.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yup. It's like a picture from Thomas Kinkade. They are mass produced by a corporation of people and are not considered "art" by the art world and scholars.

The problem is people like to use "Disney" is multiple ways. Disney in this thread does not mean just one particular Studio such as WDAS or Marvel, but rather the entire company. So yes "Disney" has an art studio under it, and so does actually produce arthouse movies that would be considered "art" by the cinematic art world.

 

[DisneyWarrior27]

I believe Disney will be king of the box office in 2025 also…. IMO the 3 surest bets on films to cross the billion dollar mark are all Disney….Stitch, Zootopia, and Avatar

And The Fantastic Four.

Don’t forget that one too.

 

[Disney Irish]

I don’t even know what your point is anymore.. doing these little dances…as far as I can tell Bob Iger has really affected your thought process… and are not happy with anyone giving Disney money… sort of a “ do as I say not as I do”

You are the first who made a comment on the “art house” studio…. I assumed you
Meant Searchlight Studios…. You complain about others with excuses…. Most others on this board I have not seen change their thoughts But you created so much confusion with your word salad…just to spin a Disney is a failure narrative

I don't even think he knows his own point anymore. Just, Iger bad = Disney bad, Iger go now. Iger takes up every inch of space in his head that I think he still believe that many of us are Iger fans.