Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[celluloid]

Its ironic that now the Magic Kingdom and EPCOT finances todays flop after flop movies

I know what you are saying with parks being what is drained for bad choices.... but EPCOT is not financing much of anything compared to MK, DL, oversaeas parks, DCL and selling liscencing deals elsewhere.

EPCOT is on the near 60 dollars a day mark for many this summer for a reason and that is after having more invested into it than any other of the four theme parks in the last five years.

 

[DKampy]

1. Disney is still the king of the box office overall and other studios just follows so they steer clear for the most part, ie they respect Disney and what it can do at the box office.

I believe Disney will be king of the box office in 2025 also…. IMO the 3 surest bets on films to cross the billion dollar mark are all Disney….Stitch, Zootopia, and Avatar

 

[TP2000]

You keep correlating the box office with theme parks…. But the gross of a film( good or bad)will not affect the theme park division…. Both are different buckets…. But if you have not noticed Disney is investing more into their theme parks again… including DCA

Yes, check back in Spring, 2029 for the next ride opening in DCA.

In the meantime, the 2,000 seat Hyperion Theater sits empty and abandoned, DCA has no parade (day or night), Tomorrowland (on both coasts) is an empty shell of its former self with multiple empty buildings, and the current day parade at Disneyland USA is over five (5!) years old.

But sure, excuse the fact that The Amateur just vaporized enough cash to fill the Hyperion for two years with a new show, and Rachel Zegler's Snow White just vaporized enough cash to reinvigorate at least one Tomorrowland from the ground up. And a Lightning Lane ticket to Cars Land Racers is going for $22 per person. Because.... Burbank!

 

[Tha Realest]

But sure, excuse the fact that The Amateur just vaporized enough cash to fill the Hyperion for two years with a new show, and Rachel Zegler's Snow White just vaporized enough cash to reinvigorate at least one Tomorrowland from the ground up. And a Lightning Lane ticket to Cars Land Racers is going for $22 per person. Because.... Burbank!

To be fair, what would you rather spend $22 on - guaranteed access with low waits to Radiator Springs Racers, or IMAX Snow White (2025)?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Every year since the dawn of Hollywood you have movies that do well and those that bomb. This is the nature of the business. So far in 2025 only one major studio is actually in the positive as far as I can tell, and that is WB.

The question is if Disney is so weak at the box office as you and some others claim here, then why aren't other studios jumping in and counter programming the schedule against them every weekend? You figure they'd smell blood in the water right and pounce, yet that is not happening. Why?

Since that isn't happening it shows that -

1. Disney is still the king of the box office overall and other studios just follows so they steer clear for the most part, ie they respect Disney and what it can do at the box office.
2. Other studios are still trying to figure out this post-pandemic market just like everyone else, ie theatrical is dying a slow death and they are trying to figure out how to scrape every last dollar out of it before it crashes completely.

Also you need to let the quarterly go, you got it wrong, deal with it. I've read your comments and conspiracy theory of false earnings in the thread, even bringing my name in it, you just need to face facts that Wall St don't care about the same things fans do. And that by and large yes fans still will show up even in the face of perceived issues. The Mouse provides and the fans eat it up, again deal with it.

Ummm…cause it takes 5 years to make a movie…even if it’s terrible and greenlit by no talent A-clowns? It’s a Hollywood jobs program.

You think other studios aren’t looking to “jump in” since the “leader in family entertainment is tossing Molotovs all over the place? I bet they do…but it’s not like they can run out with vhs camcorder and start filming.

You assume stitch will do well and elio will cover budget? Safe

After that…Marvel is gonna likely underperform again…freaky Friday?…Tron?

Rough slate until Bob shifts the sequels into overdrive (to go with his next contract extension) later this year

 

[Disstevefan1]

No, they’re all being floated by DCL.

Then can all the money made by WDW be invested back into WDW please since DCL is doing the heavy lifting

 

[Disstevefan1]

I know what you are saying with parks being what is drained for bad choices.... but EPCOT is not financing much of anything compared to MK, DL, oversaeas parks, DCL and selling liscencing deals elsewhere.

EPCOT is on the near 60 dollars a day mark for many this summer for a reason and that is after having more invested into it than any other of the four theme parks in the last five years.

Yes we can split hairs about how much each specific park contributes to finance Disney's failing movie business but I think we can agree that Disney's theme parks and cruises are financing Disney's failing movie business.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I believe Disney will be king of the box office in 2025 also…. IMO

I agree but its too bad it will have cost them more to wear the crown than its worth

Seriously, if they can tie a few money making movies together, they can make up for the losses and thereby be the king at the box office AND be profitable in their movie business in 2025.

Lets see what happens.

 

[celluloid]

I agree but its too bad it will have cost them more to wear the crown than its worth

Seriously, if they can tie a few money making movies together, they can make up for the losses and thereby be the king at the box office AND be profitable in their movie business in 2025.

Lets see what happens.

I think Stitch and Elio have a chance to really help them with support of Fantastic Four.

But the amount of the investment also matters in terms of money making box office, and I think WB with Minecraft, Sinners, Superman and its lower budget horror releases will give it the edge in the money-making realm.
Uni also a decent shot because Wicked, How to Train Your Dragon(depending on how audiences take it) and its easy Blumhouse wins.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yes we can split hairs about how much each specific park contributes to finance Disney's failing movie business but I think we can agree that Disney's theme parks and cruises are financing Disney's failing movie business.

Movies where always a small slice of the pie…

They’re really financing their collapsing linear cable business

Where old men who ever turned on lifetime or espn were charged for both in Kansas…and the ad money rolled in

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Disney will “win” the box office this year…most likely due to saturation

But 3 hits and 7 meh or stinkers is not nearly as dominant as it’s already gonna be made out to be.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I still haven’t seen it yet, but my morning feed seems to consider it a success.

That’s a ranking of post-Endgame Marvel films.

 

[coffeefan]

Disney will “win” the box office this year…most likely due to saturation

But 3 hits and 7 meh or stinkers is not nearly as dominant as it’s already gonna be made out to be.

A win is a win.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I believe Disney will be king of the box office in 2025 also…. IMO the 3 surest bets on films to cross the billion dollar mark are all Disney….Stitch, Zootopia, and Avatar

Maybe correct. The problem is all the others may not cover budget

I still haven’t seen it yet, but my morning feed seems to consider it a success.

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That’s a ranking of post-Endgame Marvel films.

Very bob to be quoted taking a victory lap for a movie that’s a box office loser

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I still haven’t seen it yet, but my morning feed seems to consider it a success.

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That’s a ranking of post-Endgame Marvel films.

That’s encouraging and hopefully a sign they’ve turned the corner, I’ve said for a while that Disney, Star Wars, the MCU, and Pixar are all fighting an uphill battle against their own reputations right now, a couple more movies with solid reviews and maybe the general public will start giving them the benefit of the doubt and actually buying tickets to MCU movies again.

This graphic really highlights how weak the MCU offerings have been for the last half a decade, take out the 2 Sony/Spiderman flicks and it’s a bunch of sequels that weren’t as good as the originals and a couple new movies that didn’t really connect with the audience.

I’ve heard good things about Thunderbolts but haven’t seen it yet, good buzz is infinitely better than bad buzz or even no buzz though.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Disney will “win” the box office this year…most likely due to saturation

But 3 hits and 7 meh or stinkers is not nearly as dominant as it’s already gonna be made out to be.

Depending on the ROI on their movies, Disney will win the box office gross crown and lose money in their movie business

 

[Disstevefan1]

A win is a win.

When we lost but we really tried hard, we called it a "moral victory"

 

[Willmark]

Perhaps this year is a “tale of two halves?”

One would have to think that there are so many movies on the back end that they’ve got to or will turn a profit.

The question is the big log jam with Superman, Jurassic Park and FF all roughly around the same time this summer. As a guess there is only going to be so much $$$ to go around in who sees what.

Also as noted Stich and Avatar should do well so another meh, mixed bag by the time December rolls around?

 

[celluloid]

Perhaps this year is a “tale of two halves?”

One would have to think that there are so many movies on the back end that they’ve got to or will turn a profit.

The question is the big log jam with Superman, Jurassic Park and FF all roughly around the same time this summer. As a guess there is only going to be so much $$$ to go around in who sees what.

Also as noted Stich and Avatar should do well so another meh, mixed bag by the time December rolls around?

Perhaps, but also Movie Industry like entertainment in other venues such as theme parks or smaller attractions show that when they are competetive, most have a better chance at winning rather than splitting the room.

Theaters having more movies that please a mass audience are more likely to have success in other films than just one winning at a time.

This is why not summer releases of Minecraft and Sinners, while counterprogramming have both earned over 200 million with ease.

 

[Disney Irish]

Ummm…cause it takes 5 years to make a movie…even if it’s terrible and greenlit by no talent A-clowns? It’s a Hollywood jobs program.

You think other studios aren’t looking to “jump in” since the “leader in family entertainment is tossing Molotovs all over the place? I bet they do…but it’s not like they can run out with vhs camcorder and start filming.

You assume stitch will do well and elio will cover budget? Safe

After that…Marvel is gonna likely underperform again…freaky Friday?…Tron?

Rough slate until Bob shifts the sequels into overdrive (to go with his next contract extension) later this year

It doesn't take 5 years to make a movie once its goes into production, that is just nuts that you believe that. It takes between 6-24 months from pre-production to post-production to release depending on the type of movie.

Also all studios have movies already in the can and ready to drop. We've seen the comments here, why didn't they move up this movie to fill this spot, why didn't they move up that movie since there was nothing here, etc. Schedules get changed all the time and movies move up and the down the calendar. So yeah other studios could jump in if they felt they could do better at the box office, but none are. Again why? Go back to what was said previously.

Also you keep blowing that contract extension horn pretty hard lately. Time to give that a rest for a while. If it happens you can do your victory lap, but until then give it a rest, its not needed every post.