CaptJackSparrow
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I just read that it came in under projections.
Also it is 30th of 36 Marvel opening weekends. Maybe 74m isn't so great.
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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Also it is 30th of 36 Marvel opening weekends. Maybe 74m isn't so great.
Dranth
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It is an interesting theory and assuming that 2023 date is accurate we have a nice dividing line to track it.
Cap 4 was filmed March - June 2023 so would have either just missed or caught the very beginning of Feige turning his attention back to the MCU. Thunderbolts was filmed early 2024 and FF July to November 2024 so if both of these end up being markedly better movies it would be a good start to the theory.
Casper Gutman
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Where are you getting 74 million?
Even if true, I believe Thunderbolts three day global box office is significantly higher then Shang-Chi. It did come in lower then Quantumania, the third installment in a successful series - just like pretty much every other Marvel debut film,
Serpico Jones
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
So it seemsIts too bad Disney's movie business does not understand this concept.
That one is well out of control now tooDisney's theme park business for sure understands this concept.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Chi84
Premium Member
It’s already started but you just label whatever you don’t like to hear as “semantics.”Great idea…
Who’s gonna start!
Semantics doesn’t mean everything that doesn’t denigrate Disney.
easyrowrdw
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Are the international markets the same? The opening of a movie in international markets can vary from one film to the next so I can see why domestic opening weekends makes for a more straightforward comparison.
Disstevefan1
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Disney knows how to CUT COSTS and NOT overspend in its theme park business, especially WDW
If they do spend on the theme parks, they S T R E T C H the spending over MANY YEARS on the same project! 
Disney Irish
Premium Member
You just described every business that uses modern accounting going back almost 100 years. Disney is no different in that regard, they just use generally accepted accounting practices (GAAP) for amortizing costs over time.Disney knows how to CUT COSTS and NOT overspend in its theme park business, especially WDW
I really wish business and economics courses were still taught in schools.
Tony the Tigger
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This is silly.
Phroobar
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I think it makes it worst by renaming it.
Ghost93
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I think the New Avengers is a clever reveal in the movie itself, but I feel renaming the movie in the marketing after one week will just confuse people more than anything else. In fact, it might turn people against the movie as they will see a bunch of D-list characters and say "NOT MY AVENGERS!!"
Now to be fair, I think the movie does a terrific job of developing the characters and making you really like them. I was a bit indifferent the Black Widow movie and didn't care for The Falcon and the Winter Soldier (the two MCU properties Thunderbolts most directly follows up on with the inclusion of Yelena, Red Guardian, Valentina and John Walker). And Ghost left no impression on me in Ant-man and the Wasp. So I wasn't at all hyped to see these characters when this movie was announced, and I'm sure most people felt similarly.
Yet, by the time Thunderbolts ended, I had grown to love the characters as the movie did a fantastic job fleshing them out. So by the time the movie revealed these characters are the "New Avengers" (as the marketing is now spoiling), I was on board, and I am now looking forward to see what happens next with them. But the casual moviegoer who hasn't seen the movie yet will likely scoff at the idea of these guys becoming the next Avengers team, as they only know the characters from how they were depicted their less well received movies/TV shows.
TP2000
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Oh, okay. I can plug those specific Marvel movie types (first outing of a successful franchise) into the machine and see what it says.
They aren't "my" numbers. They are the numbers from the website called, conveniently, The Numbers. I only put in which movies I want to compare, and the numbers are there from the usual public disclosure sources the industry uses to track box office. Which is probably why they call themselves The Numbers.
Here's how those Franchise Starters looked at their domestic opening weekends, adjusted for inflation...
Thunderbolts did 80% of Captain America 1
Thunderbolts did 56% of Guardians of the Galaxy 1
Thunderbolts did 79% of Thor 1
Thunderbolts did 96% of Ant-Man 1
The closest analogy for Thunderbolts at this point is Ant-Man 1 in 2015. But Ant-Man performed much stronger overseas than Thunderbolts is currently doing. Almost double the domestic box office from overseas for Ant-Man! And Thunderbolts has already opened this past weekend in all overseas markets; there is no foreign country left to open in for Thunderbolts.
It would appear that Thunderbolts will struggle to reach $500 Million, much less than Ant-Man 1's inflation adjusted $696 Million global take, barring some crazy strong legs domestically and a notable surge in box office overseas in the next few weeks. '
TP2000
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Final numbers are in for this weekend's domestic box office. Thunderbolts was revised down from it's $76 Million opening weekend to an actual total of $74,300,608. And Snow White is still in 310 theaters.
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thenumbers.com
The Numbers - Weekend Box Office Chart for October 31, 2025
Weekend Domestic Box Office Chart for the weekend of October 31, 2025
thenumbers.com
TP2000
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That does not look to be the case. Even unadjusted for inflation, Shang-Chi had a better opening weekend than Thunderbolts by just over $1 Million.
And adjusted for inflation (2021-2024 was brutal on the pocketbook!), Thunderbolts had a domestic opening weekend that was 88% of the domestic opening weekend for Shang-Chi.
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (2021) - Financial Information
Financial analysis of Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (2021) including budget, domestic and international box office gross, DVD and Blu-ray sales reports, total earnings and profitability.
www.the-numbers.com
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You do understand their attendance and revenues are falling, right?Disney knows how to CUT COSTS and NOT overspend in its theme park business, especially WDW
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Nope…we got the “I don’t understand…” stuff creeping in again. It’s disingenuous and not productive. Do as I say…not as I do
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
It was adjusted down…and no one on earth is making the case that’s good but you.
But hey…the 36 hour back and forth snit - contrary to reality -was fun
