Sirwalterraleigh
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It’s a pattern…you can plot the downward trajectory on a chart
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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Disstevefan1
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Its too bad Disney's movie business does not understand this concept.
Disney's theme park business for sure understands this concept.
That is why I went with Us as opposed to Get Out….. both were original horror…..but Us came out after Peele had establish himself with Get Out…. Just as Coogler is already an establish director with the likes of Black Panther and Creed
Agent H
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Adding to this Hercules treasure planet and encanto all underperformed and I wouldn’t say those are bad movies either.
Disstevefan1
Well-Known Member
You're right, there have always been bad movies, just the excuses for failure have changed
Deadpool did cross my mind… but as you said it was not the MCU… so I did not count it…. For some reason Black Panther slipped my mind as I typed right before bed…. But that movie had circumstances that were outside the MCU brand
Tony the Tigger
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May I ask for clarification? (Publicly only so that the group are all on the same page.)
I am at Epcot right now, so didn’t read back to see what got deleted or not. I posted a news article without political comment, which directly affects this discussion in a huge way. Is that cool? I presume we can discuss the tariffs without saying comments about the person implementing them? If these tariffs happen, they will have a huge effect on this discussion. Thanks in advance. I did notice some posts crossed that line. I specifically tried not to.
Prince-1
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White House Says “No Final Decisions” Have Been Made on Movie Tariffs, Still “Exploring All Options”
The administration says it is still intent on "Making Hollywood Great Again" though it suggests it will take time for tariff plan to come to fruition.
Not surprising but the tariffs on foreign made movies may actually not be happening,
Vegas Disney Fan
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That should solve the “political” talk issue.White House Says “No Final Decisions” Have Been Made on Movie Tariffs, Still “Exploring All Options”
The administration says it is still intent on "Making Hollywood Great Again" though it suggests it will take time for tariff plan to come to fruition.www.yahoo.com
Not surprising but the tariffs on foreign made movies may actually not be happening,
Animaniac93-98
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And it had a higher opening than Creed.
Dranth
Well-Known Member
Of course it is, which is why the poster shouldn't have presented it as an absolute or if they didn't mean it as one, at least include some language to indicate that. Not being more precise with words is one of the big issues we have with folks talking past each other.
See, I am not sure I completely agree with this either. I think movies don't do well for a lot of reasons and being bad might be a plurality, but I don't think it is a majority if we are looking at main stream releases.
Yes, many are bad, but some movies are just released at the wrong time, going up against a massive hit. Some have subject matter people aren't ready to or don't want to deal with. Others release into tough financial times that weren't expected when the film started production. Still more just release into a crowded market and there aren't enough theater going customers to support them all. Some fail to get any marketing backing from the studio and die in obscurity. Others suffer from fatigue of a particular genre. Etc.
Sure, many of those reasons could potentially be attributed to studios not understanding current market forces or just plain not reading the room, but that does not make them bad movies.
They haven't had the consistency they used to in recent years, but they have put out good movies, some of which didn't do well in the box office.
I am sure that is one factor.
Like it or not, we will get more of both.
If good originals keep failing to break through then yes, no matter who is in the C-Suite we are looking at studios leaning more into sequels and remakes/reboots across the board.…more frozen…I’m sure.
Casper Gutman
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We’re going to reference reality and draw lessons from history rather than just shouting emotionally satisfying nonsense. There’s too much of the latter going on in general.
Casper Gutman
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By the way, a lot of posters reacted with incredulity when I pointed out that a LOT of Marvels recent troubles were due to Feige stepping back. I believe the Wall Street Journal has a big article explaining precisely that.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I haven't read the WSJ article, but I think it was fairly well discussed in other threads how Feige was being spread thin and that it affected production and quality of the MCU movies in Phases 4/5. And that in 2023 (I think that was when) he took back the reigns so to speak as they refocused.
I believe Thunderbolts is one of the first ones produced after he took back the reigns, and the higher quality of the movie shows that.
TalkingHead
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Thunderbolts actually opened with $74M domestically which puts it under Ant-Man/Wasp and Shang-Chi and ahead of Eternals for OW domestic tallies
CaptJackSparrow
Active Member
I just read that it came in under projections.
Also it is 30th of 36 Marvel opening weekends. Maybe 74m isn't so great.
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Dranth
Well-Known Member
It is an interesting theory and assuming that 2023 date is accurate we have a nice dividing line to track it.
Cap 4 was filmed March - June 2023 so would have either just missed or caught the very beginning of Feige turning his attention back to the MCU. Thunderbolts was filmed early 2024 and FF July to November 2024 so if both of these end up being markedly better movies it would be a good start to the theory.
Casper Gutman
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Where are you getting 74 million?
Even if true, I believe Thunderbolts three day global box office is significantly higher then Shang-Chi. It did come in lower then Quantumania, the third installment in a successful series - just like pretty much every other Marvel debut film,
Serpico Jones
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
So it seemsIts too bad Disney's movie business does not understand this concept.
That one is well out of control now tooDisney's theme park business for sure understands this concept.