Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This board really does insist on existing in its own little bubble separated from reality and knowledge.

It’s so dumb it honestly makes me wonder if I’m wrong for generally agreeing with the negative consensus on the theme park side of this site.

Well you’re right about this

 

[BrianLo]

It’s ok, Walter believes all movies make endless money in the end because of D+. Regardless of performance. He’s said so about 50 times now.

He’s also been aggressively petitioning for Iger to get a contract extension, it’s a bit hard to take someone so seriously when they are such a company shill.

 

[TalkingHead]

Yes, it is. We all know that Citizen Cane, The Wizard of Oz, It's a Wonderful Life, The Thing, The Shawshank Redemption, The Big Lebowski, Office Space, Children of Men, etc. didn't make money at the box office because they were terrible movies.

Your mistake was comparing actual movies to the never-ending stream of episodic junk that pours out of the Marvel content factory.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It’s ok, Walter believes all movies make endless money in the end because of D+. Regardless of performance. He’s said so about 50 times now.

He’s also been aggressively petitioning for Iger to get a contract extension, it’s a bit hard to take someone so seriously when they are such a company shill.

…yep…you got me dead on

 

[Dranth]

So we’re gonna do the word games/semantics with absolutes, eh?

The poster was providing an absolutist opinion:

In the old days when a studio released a movie that didn't sell tickets it was just a bad movie that didn't sell tickets. Oh well.

I am just pointing out some of the many examples out where the posters own presented logic fails.

In addition, they posted that in direct response to possible large price increases to tickets because of new tariffs implying that movies that may be released under those tariffs that don't do well at the box office are just bad. Pricing apparently doesn't have any real impact despite us seeing the exact opposite on the parks front?

Look, we all know there are plenty of good to great movies that fail at the box office and many trash movies that do well so let's stop trying to pretend that the box office is some be all indication of the quality of a given movie. It is a good place to start but leaves a VERY incomplete picture.

 

[Dranth]

Your mistake was comparing actual movies to the never-ending stream of episodic junk that pours out of the Marvel content factory.

The poster didn't specify Marvel movies nor were Marvel movies being mentioned in the post they were responding.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The poster was providing an absolutist opinion:


I am just pointing out some of the many examples out where the posters own presented logic fails.

In addition, they posted that in direct response to possible large price increases to tickets because of new tariffs implying that movies that may be released under those tariffs that don't do well at the box office are just bad. Pricing apparently doesn't have any real impact despite us seeing the exact opposite on the parks front?

Look, we all know there are plenty of good to great movies that fail at the box office and many trash movies that do well so let's stop trying to pretend that the box office is some be all indication of the quality of a given movie. It is a good place to start but leaves a VERY incomplete picture.

Yeah…but you know it’s disingenuous to claim absolutes

Obviously there are outliers…but the point is valid: most movies tank because they suck…in the wash. It’s patterns that matter…not individualized case studies

That’s what’s been going on for the Dis…just really bad story and character choices…

The added wrinkle is that the collector movie market has started to possible reject things due to saturation?

It certainly seems possible. We might be getting “no mas”on MCU and live action remakes. So they are gonna have to address that…

…more frozen…I’m sure.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The poster didn't specify Marvel movies nor were Marvel movies being mentioned in the post they were responding.

What’s being discussed today? There was exactly one new movie that didn’t exactly pack em in?

 

[Nubs70]

Time for the daily Reminder: what is the goal of releasing a movie again?

Maximize Return On Capital Employed

 

[Agent H]

Your mistake was comparing actual movies to the never-ending stream of episodic junk that pours out of the Marvel content factory.

You’re saying this like it’s an absolute 100 percent fact which it is not.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Maximize Return On Capital Employed

I was gonna say “sell more crap”…but I’ll accept your answer

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You’re saying this like it’s an absolute 100 percent fact which it is not.

It’s a pattern…you can plot the downward trajectory on a chart

 

[Disstevefan1]

Maximize Return On Capital Employed

Its too bad Disney's movie business does not understand this concept.

Disney's theme park business for sure understands this concept.

 

[DKampy]

Would $48 million have been considered bad for an original R-rated horror movie?

Get Out had a $33 million opening. Us was an all-time high that benefited from Peele's established reputation after

That is why I went with Us as opposed to Get Out….. both were original horror…..but Us came out after Peele had establish himself with Get Out…. Just as Coogler is already an establish director with the likes of Black Panther and Creed

 

[Agent H]

It’s an especially odd statement from a Disney fan. Unless he considers Fantasia, Alice in Wonderland, and Sleeping Beauty bad movies.

Adding to this Hercules treasure planet and encanto all underperformed and I wouldn’t say those are bad movies either.

 

[Disstevefan1]

This has never ever ever been true.

You're right, there have always been bad movies, just the excuses for failure have changed

 

[DKampy]

Black Panther also, technically Deadpool too but that was Fox at the time and not part of the MCU, but for the most part I agree that Thunderbolts is in the same ballpark as other debut stories.

Deadpool did cross my mind… but as you said it was not the MCU… so I did not count it…. For some reason Black Panther slipped my mind as I typed right before bed…. But that movie had circumstances that were outside the MCU brand

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I understand that it is difficult, if not impossible, to discuss box office numbers without getting political - I appreciate and thank those who have managed to do it - but the no politics rule still applies.

May I ask for clarification? (Publicly only so that the group are all on the same page.)

I am at Epcot right now, so didn’t read back to see what got deleted or not. I posted a news article without political comment, which directly affects this discussion in a huge way. Is that cool? I presume we can discuss the tariffs without saying comments about the person implementing them? If these tariffs happen, they will have a huge effect on this discussion. Thanks in advance. I did notice some posts crossed that line. I specifically tried not to.

 

[Prince-1]

White House Says “No Final Decisions” Have Been Made on Movie Tariffs, Still “Exploring All Options”

The administration says it is still intent on "Making Hollywood Great Again" though it suggests it will take time for tariff plan to come to fruition.

www.yahoo.com

Not surprising but the tariffs on foreign made movies may actually not be happening,

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

White House Says “No Final Decisions” Have Been Made on Movie Tariffs, Still “Exploring All Options”

The administration says it is still intent on "Making Hollywood Great Again" though it suggests it will take time for tariff plan to come to fruition.

www.yahoo.com

Not surprising but the tariffs on foreign made movies may actually not be happening,

That should solve the “political” talk issue.