MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[TrainsOfDisney]

You're talking about a pattern. And you mischaracterized the pattern.

Rat is the only real break from that pattern in my opinion. Technically tron but I always thought it was sold as an eventual replacement for space. But maybe I’m wrong on that.

I think the parks would be much stronger with more actual expansion.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Rat is the only real break from that pattern in my opinion. Technically tron but I always thought it was sold as an eventual replacement for space. But maybe I’m wrong on that.

I think the parks would be much stronger with more actual expansion.

Not all expansion is the same, and it shouldn't be limited to "barren earth now has a ride." Any time they expand the footprint of the parks for guest experiences... it is an expansion.

TRON was not built to replace Space. People keep talking about how TRON could possibly take Space's place while Space is being updated -- if it ever will be.

SWL and TSL added four rides (and a 50% increase in Midway). It took away to two attractions. And together, the two lands took over a big chunk of "back stage" that previously wasn't being used for guest attractions.

Soarin' also get a 50% boost from taking over BoH area.

Cosmic Rewind replaced a fatiguing ride and added a huge amount of new space for guest attractions with the BBB. It became more than what just the Energy Pavilion by itself could be.

The Starcruiser was an expansion... an ill fated one.

Tropical Americas is taking over a chunk of BoH for guest attractions and creating a ride bigger and better than Whirl could ever be.

Then there is all of Pandora taking over a rushed camp attraction.

There is the new viewing stands in DAK around the lake, which WDW should rightly be embarrassed for not using.

Then there is the Sunset Theater flex space, soon to be a Villains show.

Monsters Inc Coaster is on an expansion.

And yes, there are guest areas not being used, and WDW should be embarrassed about that: SGE & WoL, e.g.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Nice try.

You said: "If Disney didn't "destroy and replace" and actually EXPAND, folks would be fine with it."

You wouldn't say that about just one instance. You're talking about a pattern. And you mischaracterized the pattern.

My post was specifically about Cars and how some folks would probably accept the new Carsland in MK if it was a true expansion.

Then you expanded the discussion (which is fine as these are discussion boars) and agreed Cars was a D&R in this case and you rightly said Disney does both D&R and expanded and you made your case. Then I explained my (and only my) counter views.

(To me and only me) I take in consideration what was destroyed to get the new thing. I am sure some folks do not take that into consideration and some folks never liked what was destroyed so they are happy. There are many folks who do not like RoA, TSI, the riverboat and are happy about Cars. I like RoA, TSI and the riverboat and feel Cars does not belong where they are putting it (just my opinion)

In the end, TRON (which I love) and Ratatouille (I like it) are the only two true expansions (in my opinion) and I explained (my feelings) about all the other D&Rs.

Oh boy, every one knows how I feel about losing the Osborne lights and when we talked about TSL another poster reminded me they destroyed the backlot tour and Catastrophe Canyon which was an absolutely top notch attraction! I really miss that one! Slinky is OK, but Catastrophe Canyon was GREAT (to me)

 

[gorillaball]

I will never understand when people get annoyed that people are expressing their opinions on this board. This is a discussion forum, not a public library. Don't you run a podcast that analyzes discussion on Disney fan sites? If we only talked about updates and didn't share our opinions, wouldn't your content dry up?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It’s my opinion (along w many others, it appears) that when certain people repeat their viewpoint over and over and over and over that it gets very tiresome. If someone here posted they think this is the absolute best decision Disney has made, then fine. If they posted that 17 times in 2 pages that is tiresome!

 

[Chi84]

when certain people repeat their viewpoint over and over and over and over that it gets very tiresome.

And using the ignore feature for the person who posts the same comment over and over and over makes a thread difficult to follow.

 

[yensid1967]

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More or less what I am expecting.

I WISH THIS WERE TRUE! There would be no backlash from guests and MK gets to new areas, even though I think CARS is more suited for DHS! MK is for wishes, dreams and fantasy...CARS has no place

 

[yensid1967]

I would love to know how DL guests would react if this was going in DL and DEMOLITIONING RoA and TSI

 

[mickEblu]

I would love to know how DL guests would react if this was going in DL and DEMOLITIONING RoA and TSI

 

[Centauri Space Station]

I would love to know how DL guests would react if this was going in DL and DEMOLITIONING RoA and TSI

Technically they already replaced TSI with pirates lair and removed the fort. ROA is also the only boats found at the DLR

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Technically they already replaced TSI with pirates lair

It’s still Tom Sawyer Island

 

[Agent H]

Technically they already replaced TSI with pirates lair and removed the fort. ROA is also the only boats found at the DLR

It’s still Tom Sawyer Island

You’re both wrong and right at the same time.It’s pirates lair on Tom Sawyer island.

 

[JD80]

as a general rule of thumb, the claim that the parks "aren't a museum" is always used to justify or defend an unpopular or questionable change, so you have perfect reason to be skeptical whenever someone says it. it's akin to believing the parks exist in a vacuum (which they pointedly do not)

Obviously. It's the nature of the response. No one is responding with "The parks aren't a museum" to someone posting how excited they are about a replacement project. The nature of the response is to people wanting something to stay the same forever.

 

[Bocabear]

They could activate this area instead of tear it out...The ROA is part of the fabric of the park... Enhance the features, add new things without destroying this section of the park. The thing is, Frontierland, Adventureland, Fantasyland, Tomorrowland are all kind of based upon looking back... an idyllic view of the past and the future... So in a sense from the beginning, they were designed to be like a museum... If you remove the basic ideas of these different lands you end up with DHS... a park that is just a collection of ideas thrown anywhere they fit the space... (though the original central core of the park is still firmly rooted in Old Hollywood) What makes the Magic Kingdom s appealing is the nostalgia... We grew up in these parks...generations..... The parks abroad were also based on the same model...which leans on nostalgia.
So yeah, the parks kind of are based on a museum idea with attractions fitting into the nostalgic themed areas...
I do not know why we cannot have the Villains addition without completely removing everything else... Save the Cars area for DHS where it actually is a better fit.

 

[bmr1591]

What I would love (and won't happen, but we can fantasize, right?) is if they cut RoA in half, width wise, and let the water flow out of the top of a mountain in the Cars area. There could be an area of the ride that we drive through shallow whitewater, but as it continues its course, it calms and flows into the RoA we know today (just a bit smaller) and keeps the ambience on the Frontierland side of things.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Obviously. It's the nature of the response. No one is responding with "The parks aren't a museum" to someone posting how excited they are about a replacement project. The nature of the response is to people wanting something to stay the same forever.

Museums do change exhibits all the time.

Museums rarely destroy the building they use to display exhibits.

 

[JD80]

They could activate this area instead of tear it out...The ROA is part of the fabric of the park... Enhance the features, add new things without destroying this section of the park. The thing is, Frontierland, Adventureland, Fantasyland, Tomorrowland are all kind of based upon looking back... an idyllic view of the past and the future... So in a sense from the beginning, they were designed to be like a museum... If you remove the basic ideas of these different lands you end up with DHS... a park that is just a collection of ideas thrown anywhere they fit the space... (though the original central core of the park is still firmly rooted in Old Hollywood) What makes the Magic Kingdom s appealing is the nostalgia... We grew up in these parks...generations..... The parks abroad were also based on the same model...which leans on nostalgia.
So yeah, the parks kind of are based on a museum idea with attractions fitting into the nostalgic themed areas...
I do not know why we cannot have the Villains addition without completely removing everything else... Save the Cars area for DHS where it actually is a better fit.

While I appreciate the sentiment of this post, I don't agree that it's was ever intended to be an "idyllic view" of the past.

• Fantasyland is a collection of fairytales and stories with a variety of themes. There is nothing past or present about it. They are a collection of fantasy settings. This land has no cohesive setting or theme and will never really go out of style.
• Adventureland is based on a mid 20th century sense of adventure with jungle exploration and pirates. It only appears to be looking back because this idea of adventure is nearly a century old. Today's sense of adventure is mostly with space, science and technology. If you were going to build Adventureland today without any bias to the existing parks it would look COMPLETELY different. So your idyllic view of this land is pure nostalgia.
• Tomorrowland is based on, again, mid-20th century view of what the future would be that evolved into a cute retro vibe over time as that style of pop culture faded. Again, if Disney were to remake Tomorrowland without bias to what came before it, it would look completely different.
• Frontierland is a setting for cowboys and indians. Again, another mid-20th century pop culture setting that slowly grew out of favor with the cultural zeitgeist. At this point the TVs and Movies of the past are long out of favor and the majority of people visiting are no longer those that have fond memories of westerns they watched as kids. If Frontierland were to be remade without bias it would probably closely resemble what we're getting. Vistas of nature's bounty, forests and mountains. It's a shame the river has to go, but I hope we still get water in some fashion.
  • Frankly if Disney were to remake a land it wouldn't be a Frontierland it would probably be some other theme.

So the psychology here is that a combination of your own nostalgia for the parks, your own desire for things to remain the same. Fear of change perhaps. The other is that the parks have remained generally the same for 50+ years at this point that they in themselves have become sacrosanct and in becoming sacrosanct they have become more than their original intention and design to you.

 

[LittleBuford]

While I appreciate the sentiment of this post, I don't agree that it's was ever intended to be an "idyllic view" of the past.

• Fantasyland is a collection of fairytales and stories with a variety of themes. There is nothing past or present about it. They are a collection of fantasy settings. This land has no cohesive setting or theme and will never really go out of style.
• Adventureland is based on a mid 20th century sense of adventure with jungle exploration and pirates. It only appears to be looking back because this idea of adventure is nearly a century old. Today's sense of adventure is mostly with space, science and technology. If you were going to build Adventureland today without any bias to the existing parks it would look COMPLETELY different. So your idyllic view of this land is pure nostalgia.

But the fairytale architecture making up Fantasyland is all rooted (albeit fancifully) in various historical European building styles. Adventureland is explicitly historical in its references—the Pirates of the Caribbean in particular is very much looking back. Whether these renditions of the past are idyllic is another matter, but they’ve always been intended to represent bygone ages in some way or other.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Obviously. It's the nature of the response. No one is responding with "The parks aren't a museum" to someone posting how excited they are about a replacement project. The nature of the response is to people wanting something to stay the same forever.

Who are these people? Are they in the room with us?

 

[bcoachable]

Just sneaking in to the thread to say that replacing the ROA, the Boat and the Island with a money generator is one of the saddest things I’ve witnessed as a park fan. It is not, however, a surprise move. I never thought Universal stood a chance at passing WDW as the lead destination for visitors in Orlando. As people begin to realize Disney is no longer concerned with guest experiences, visitors will slowly begin to find that Universal is. Epic Universe is showing that Universal Creative remembers what made Disney parks great to begin with.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

So the psychology here is that a combination of your own nostalgia for the parks, your own desire for things to remain the same. Fear of change perhaps.

What would the psychology be of a Disney adult who goes to a Disney forum and diagnoses the psychology of people? Asking for a friend?

Honestly you are taking this way too seriously- Joe Rohde has posted wonderful thoughts on how theme parks become a stand in for “sacred places” that are outside the world of change.

Almost, if not all, of us agree the current rivers at DL is better. That was a significant change but it was for the better.

There is change and there is destruction. Muppets and Rivers and Fountain of Nations are all destruction for no good reason in my book.