News Disney plans to accelerate Parks investment to $60 billion over 10 years

[Lilofan]

This new Iger Disney decade will be twice as good as Eisner's Disney decade because, this new Disney decade, Iger's Disney decade will take at least 20 years to complete, and I think Iger will decide to stick around until its complete.

Iger still works out in his home Versa climber in the pre dawn hours daily prior to starting his day. Not too shabby for a guy in his early 70s.

 

[monothingie]

Very excited for Epic and I have no doubt Disney will do a great job with their new concepts for the villains land. Hoping Disney one ups Hagrids as the best intense coaster for kids. My kids couldn’t get enough of Hagrids back in Christmas of 19.

With strong indications that USO is ready to pivot to something big(ger) in Florida following EU, I truly hope for Disney's sake they plus size the Villains investment.

An E-Ticket, C-Ticket, Restaurant, and Gift Shop won't cut it. This needs to be game changing.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Iger still works out in his home Versa climber in the pre dawn hours daily prior to starting his day. Not too shabby for a guy in his early 70s.

Nothing like a good session on the Versaclimber then a nice shower.

This is good, He should stay healthy to stay alive as long as possible to enjoy his money. He has enough money for multiple lifetimes he could spend.

I wish he would put more energy in making better decisions as CEO

 

[FrontierSpirit]

With strong indications that USO is ready to pivot to something big(ger) in Florida following EU, I truly hope for Disney's sake they plus size the Villains investment.

An E-Ticket, C-Ticket, Restaurant, and Gift Shop won't cut it. This needs to be game changing.

All depends on how good it all is. A love they are doing a roller coaster. Thought that was the one ride Galaxy Edge was missing.

 

[James Alucobond]

An E-Ticket, C-Ticket, Restaurant, and Gift Shop won't cut it. This needs to be game changing.

… Each of the Epic lands is 2-3 rides with dining and retail. While I agree that Villains should aim higher, what about the attraction density of EU would even begin to force their hand here?

 

[Icarus846]

Same study said almost all of that debt was credit cards and almost all was paid off within three months.

That article was notorious click-bait to call "paying by credit card" as "debt."

No one's taking out a second mortgage to go to Disney.

I never carry cash on me anymore. I put everything on my visa when I go to Disney, or do just about everything nowadays, and pay it off almost immediately when I get home to take advantage of its points system which pays for my flight every time we travel. I’m pretty sure a lot of people do the same thing.

 

[monothingie]

… Each of the Epic lands is 2-3 rides with dining and retail. While I agree that Villains should aim higher, what about the attraction density of EU would even begin to force their hand here?

If EU didn't exist, it would be more than adequate as an incremental additional to the resort.

EU is not an incremental addition to the existing. It is a new game changing new gate. The Villains concept at this point is like bringing a knife to a gunfight.

 

[monothingie]

All depends on how good it all is. A love they are doing a roller coaster. Thought that was the one ride Galaxy Edge was missing.

While I'm sure that the noise level is up, based on the excitement around EU, there has constantly been serious discussion about phase 2 of EU and/or a full reconceptualization of IOA. If fully realized, NOTHING Disney is doing at this stage would be able to be a serious response to it.

 

[James Alucobond]

If EU didn't exist, it would be more than adequate as an incremental additional to the resort.

EU is not an incremental addition to the existing. It is a new game changing new gate. The Villains concept at this point is like bringing a knife to a gunfight.

Which is why there are three announced new lands (Tropical Americas, Villains, Monsters) and an overhaul of Frontierland on the docket, likely with plans for at least Animation Courtyard in the wings. That’s obviously all up in the air given current economic realities, but the point is that Epic is not encouraging greater attraction density or suggesting lands should be designed differently; it’s the same layout we’ve seen with every major land launch in the past couple decades.

 

[MisterPenguin]

there has constantly been serious discussion about phase 2 of EU and/or a full reconceptualization of IOA

Comcast won't be able to afford either for at least the next five years, let alone if there are "economic headwinds."

 

[FrontierSpirit]

While I'm sure that the noise level is up, based on the excitement around EU, there has constantly been serious discussion about phase 2 of EU and/or a full reconceptualization of IOA. If fully realized, NOTHING Disney is doing at this stage would be able to be a serious response to it.

Competition is always great for us fans. Harry Potter was a game changer so I’m all for park expansions from either Disney or Universal. Disney will respond and they will make something great for their market.

 

[monothingie]

Which is why there are three announced new lands (Tropical Americas, Villains, Monsters) and an overhaul of Frontierland currently announced, likely with plans for at least Animation Courtyard in the wings. That’s obviously all up in the air given current economic realities, but the point is that Epic is not encouraging greater attraction density or suggesting lands should be designed differently; it’s the same layout we’ve seen with every major land launch in the past couple decades.

2 out the 3 of those announcements have massively PO'd the fans and even normies. The level of excitement about Cars Land or a Door Coaster based on tired OLD IP is mid at best. Nothing compared to Potter and Nintendo and even HTTYD and Generic Monster Land.

Comcast won't be able to afford either for at least the next five years, let alone if there are "economic headwinds."

You don't do long term planning based on short-term economic conditions. Disney did that during Covid, Comcast didn't.

Comcast has a brand new park. Disney has a half-assed Epcot and a covered seating area at Woody's Lunchbox that is just about done after years of construction.

 

[monothingie]

Disney will respond and they will make something great for their market.

Disney doesn't have the money, talent, or desire to do something on the level of EU. The $60B over 10 years doesn't get anything close to an EU. Almost everything that was supposed to be ambitious over the past 5 years at Disney has either been cut back or is a copy or adaptation of something else which has been done already.

 

[James Alucobond]

2 out the the 3 of those announcements have massively PO'd the fans and even normies. The level of excitement about Cars Land or a Door Coaster based on tired OLD IP is mid at best. Nothing compared to Potter and Nintendo and even HTTYD and Generic Monster Land.

I’m not talking about quality or relative excitement. I’m saying that, even if tremendously successful and financially threatening, nothing about Epic’s design would suggest that they should just cram Old Fantasyland-level ride density into Villains. Instead, it would further reinforce the current mega-E-and-that-other-thing design trend of all newer lands.

 

[UNCgolf]

I’m not talking about quality or relative excitement. I’m saying that, even if tremendously successful and financially threatening, nothing about Epic’s design would suggest that they should just cram Old Fantasyland-level ride density into Villains. Instead, it would further reinforce the current mega-E-and-that-other-thing design trend of all newer lands.

One of EU's lands (HTTYD) doesn't even have an E ticket, although it does have three rides and what is apparently an incredible show.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Competition is always great for us fans. Harry Potter was a game changer so I’m all for park expansions from either Disney or Universal. Disney will respond and they will make something great for their market.

I hope you are right but Disney has stated they have already responded to EPIC with the additions they have already made over the years like Pandora and Guardians and Tron

 

[monothingie]

I’m not talking about quality or relative excitement. I’m saying that, even if tremendously successful and financially threatening, nothing about Epic’s design would suggest that they should just cram Old Fantasyland-level ride density into Villains. Instead, it would further reinforce the current mega-E-and-that-other-thing design trend of all newer lands.

The investment in EU created a new destination.

Adding a new land or an attraction or two to an existing gate does not increase the popularity of the resort as a whole. Coupled with higher prices, over the past 5 years, even with all the new additions to WDW, we still see that attendance is still lower than it was pre-pandemic.

 

[HauntedPirate]

I hope you are right but Disney has stated they have already responded to EPIC with the additions they have already made over the years like Pandora and Guardians and Tron

You mean the same Pandora they announced in 2011 but didn’t start building until 2014?

 

[wannabeBelle]

The investment in EU created a new destination.

Adding a new land or an attraction or two to an existing gate does not increase the popularity of the resort as a whole. Coupled with higher prices, over the past 5 years, even with all the new additions to WDW, we still see that attendance is still lower than it was pre-pandemic.

Not to mention three new resorts to accommodate guests in the area of the new park. Marie

 

[Disstevefan1]

You mean the same Pandora they announced in 2011 but didn’t start building until 2014?

sadly, yes.