Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Chi84]

A thousand year run (give or take) seems like a good benchmark.

Two thousand plus when Byzantium is considered.

Seems in that regard they had a good handle on what would be celebrities today

People to be abused for entertainment?

 

[Chi84]

A very complicated question. The answer you are looking for is to undermine the upper class. This would be a mostly satisfactory cliff notes answer.

I don’t know how this applies to today when Hollywood actors and actresses are the upper class.

Maybe it doesn't apply.

 

[Tha Realest]

Are those current, I only ask because I saw a report the Looney tunes movie was already being pulled from a lot of theaters with many likely going to SW.

Sad to see a hand drawn animated movie flop so spectacularly, another nail in the hand drawn animation coffin, I didn’t even know it existed, they did a horrible job of marketing it.

I had no idea it existed until a week ago, and I generally follow the travails of WBD somewhat closely. This seems like one of those projects saved from a write-off but no marketing money behind it.

And in ancient Greece actors were revered and most celebrated of professions, up there with philosophers and politicians.

So we really are more like ancient Greece than Rome.

What’s a civilization in antiquity that despised politicians and actors alike?

 

[Disney Irish]

Yes but you keep talking about the weak being picked on.

Zegler is not weak.

She is a young actor in the beginning of her career, some would consider that weak when compared to an established actor with decades of work behind them.

She is a multi millionaire with a massive social media presence.

Not sure why how much money she has matters, but she is not as "rich" as you think she is. She has a net worth of $3M, that is it. That might be more than many people, but its not much in the world of Hollywood.

 

[Disney Irish]

Are those current, I only ask because I saw a report the Looney tunes movie was already being pulled from a lot of theaters with many likely going to SW.

Sad to see a hand drawn animated movie flop so spectacularly, another nail in the hand drawn animation coffin, I didn’t even know it existed, they did a horrible job of marketing it.

With Looney Tunes being pulled from Max, its obviously wasn't a good sign that the movie was going to stay in theaters very long even if WBD is not directly involved with its distribution anymore. They are not a popular franchise as they once were.

 

[Trauma]

She is a young actor in the beginning of her career, some would consider that weak when compared to an established actor with decades of work behind them.


Not sure why how much money she has matters, but she is not as "rich" as you think she is. She has a net worth of $3M, that is it. That might be more than many people, but its not much in the world of Hollywood.

Do you understand how ridiculous this sounds to an average American just trying to feed their family?

She has far more power than Bob the plumber or Sarah the school teacher.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Yes but you keep talking about the weak being picked on.

Zegler is not weak.

She is a multi millionaire with a massive social media presence.

First, Zegler isn’t really “the weak” I’ve been talking about.

That aside, Zegler is exponentially weaker then several of the people leading the attacks against her. She is a 24-year-old up-and-coming actor. She’s not a CEO or a Senator.

Part of the issue here is the confusion of different kinds of power. Hollywood stars have a degree of cultural power, although less than some others like studio heads who tend to have very different political, economic, and social objectives. Those stars don’t have governmental or economic power, the kind of power that most directly and dramatically affects people. Cultural power is visible and glamorous, however, and confusing the different kinds of power and directing rage at those with cultural power benefits the holders of less ostentatious types of power. It’s also true that some economic and governmental power holders are genuinely jealous of cultural power and, despite their enormous ability to shape national affairs to their will, feel they are victims because the culture won’t similarly bend to their will and say nice things about them. This makes them angry, resentful, and vindictive and prone to inflating the significance of cultural power.

 

[Disney Irish]

I had no idea it existed until a week ago, and I generally follow the travails of WBD somewhat closely. This seems like one of those projects saved from a write-off but no marketing money behind it.

I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but WBD sold off the movie for distribution to Ketchup Entertainment who didn't really do any advertising for it.

What’s a civilization in antiquity that despised politicians and actors alike?

I mean "Caesar" had a tradition of being killed. So you decide how Romans felt about politicians.

 

[Trauma]

First, Zegler isn’t really “the weak” I’ve been talking about.

That aside, Zegler is exponentially weaker then several of the people leading the attacks against her. She is a 24-year-old up-and-coming actor. She’s not a CEO or a Senator.

Part of the issue here is the confusion of different kinds of power. Hollywood stars have a degree of cultural power, although less than some others like studio heads who tend to have very different political, economic, and social objectives. Those stars don’t have governmental or economic power, the kind of power that most directly and dramatically affects people. Cultural power is visible and glamorous, however, and confusing the different kinds of power and directing rage at those with cultural power benefits the holders of less ostentatious types of power. It’s also true that some economic and governmental power holders are genuinely jealous of cultural power and, despite their enormous ability to shape national affairs to their will, feel they are victims because the culture won’t similarly bend to their will and say nice things about them. This makes them angry, resentful, and vindictive and prone to inflating the significance of cultural power.

Ok but she does have far more “power” than your average middle or lower class American, can we agree on that?

That’s why her words didn’t go over so well.

If she had just attacked orange man that’s one thing, but she went after the supporters who in most cases have far less power than she does.

Now you may justify this by saying she was attacked first.

I was raised that two wrongs don’t make a right.

Can we excuse her actions because of her age?

Sure, but that doesn’t mean the people she disparaged need to come flocking back to her projects.

A movie is such an easy thing to skip.

That’s why I don’t think it’s good idea to have actors and actresses attacking the fans.

 

[Disney Irish]

Do you understand how ridiculous this sounds to an average American just trying to feed their family?

She has far more power than Bob the plumber or Sarah the school teacher.

And you do understand that a Million dollars is not as "huge" of a number as it used to be. There are over 22M "Millionaires" in the US alone. So its not as rare a feat as it once was.

 

[Trauma]

And you do understand that a Million dollars is not as "huge" of a number as it used to be. There are over 22M "Millionaires" in the US alone. So it’s not as rare a feat as it once was.

I live in what is supposedly one of the top 10 wealthiest suburbs in America. I can still drive 10 minutes away and see the massive struggle most Americans are facing on a daily basis.

You’re really coming off in a strange way here.

If you’re also affluent good for you but we are extremely lucky and privileged.

Discounting someone who is “only” worth 3 million sounds extremely elitist.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Ok but she does have far more “power” than your average middle or lower class American, can we agree on that?

That’s why her words didn’t go over so well.

If she had just attacked orange man that’s one thing, but she went after the supporters who in most cases have far less power than she does.

Now you may justify this by saying she was attacked first.

I was raised that two wrongs don’t make a right.

Can we excuse her actions because of her age?

Sure, but that doesn’t mean the people she disparaged need to come flocking back to her projects.

A movie is such an easy thing to skip.

That’s why I don’t think it’s good idea to have actors and actresses attacking the fans.

Zegler has no direct power over “average” people. None. She can’t fire them or tax them or otherwise impact their lives meaningfully in any way.

Most of the people screaming about her comments now were utterly silent during months of racially-motivated attacks against her, because a significant portion of the population openly enjoys cruelty but refuses to accept any criticism.

Her words were poorly chosen and lacked grace and nuance. She was angry and she apologized.

But she was criticizing people for an action they had willingly taken, not an innate characteristic. if you vote for someone who has proclaimed they want to hurt other ordinary people and has tried to hurt those people in the past, that is valid grounds for criticism.

 

[Stripes]

 

[Disney Irish]

I live in what is supposedly one of the top 10 wealthiest suburbs in America. I can still drive 10 minutes away and see the massive struggle most Americans are facing on a daily basis.

You’re really coming off in a strange way here.

If you’re also affluent good for you but we are extremely lucky and privileged.

Discounting someone who is only worth 3 million sounds extremely elitist.

First I'm far from affluent, I make a good living, but I'm considered middle class in my area.

Second I'm not ignoring or making slight of anyone's struggles in this or any other country.

Third I'm just putting things into perspective. And I said she has more than many people, but you make it seems like she is some huge rich star that is one of the top earners of Hollywood. She is on the low end of Hollywood "Stars" as she is just starting out.

Lastly I didn't bring up money, you did. So it sounds like you have more an issue with it than anyone. So you come across as someone jealous who looks at someones wealth as a status symbol, whereas I don't. I don't care what someones net worth is, as that is not the value of a person or their character.

Also long ago I learned that net worth doesn't equate to actual wealth, its actually meaningless by many standards. Someone could be "wealthy" on paper but still be cash poor and live paycheck-to-paycheck. So just because someone has a "Million" dollars net worth doesn't mean they are actually "rich".

 

[Willmark]

People to be abused for entertainment?

We’re talking about actors, right?

 

[Chi84]

We’re talking about actors, right?

As far as I can tell the conversation has devolved into nonsense and I’m trying to do my part.

 

[Trauma]

Zegler has no direct power over “average” people. None. She can’t fire them or tax them or otherwise impact their lives meaningfully in any way.

Most of the people screaming about her comments now were utterly silent during months of racially-motivated attacks against her, because a significant portion of the population openly enjoys cruelty but refuses to accept any criticism.

Her words were poorly chosen and lacked grace and nuance. She was angry and she apologized.

But she was criticizing people for an action they had willingly taken, not an innate characteristic. if you vote for someone who has proclaimed they want to hurt other ordinary people and has tried to hurt those people in the past, that is valid grounds for criticism.

Well we will just have to agree to disagree and drop the back and forth since we will never see eye to eye.

Her criticism may be acceptable in your eyes but the American voters had something else in mind.

After four years of one of the most divisive and destructive administrations in history, the American people wanted change.

I respect your opinion Casper even though we are clearly on different sides of the coin.

This conversation will never really go anywhere productive, and isn’t good for the overall tone of this thread.

As much as I enjoy hearing your perspective I think it’s for the best we just drop it.

Snow White will be a hit or a bomb ( or most likely something in between) and the sun will rise tommorow.

Hopefully on a world where we can somehow start to find some common ground.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I would like to see this movie.

 

[erasure fan1]

And you do understand that a Million dollars is not as "huge" of a number as it used to be. There are over 22M "Millionaires" in the US alone. So its not as rare a feat as it once was.

You're not helping your cause at all with that one. "A million is not as huge of a number as it used to be"? So what? What does that mean to the people who fall in the average income of 60 thousand dollars a year? 60k isn't what it once was either. It might not be as rare as it was but that would only be like 6%. So yea, the average person isn't going to sympathize with her when she is light years up the economic ladder.

 

[Trauma]

First I'm far from affluent, I make a good living, but I'm considered middle class in my area.

Second I'm not ignoring or making slight of anyone's struggles in this or any other country.

Third I'm just putting things into perspective. And I said she has more than many people, but you make it seems like she is some huge rich star that is one of the top earners of Hollywood. She is on the low end of Hollywood "Stars" as she is just starting out.

Lastly I didn't bring up money, you did. So it sounds like you have more an issue with it than anyone. So you come across as someone jealous who looks at someones wealth as a status symbol, whereas I don't. I don't care what someones net worth is, as that is not the value of a person or their character.

Also long ago I learned that net worth doesn't equate to actual wealth, its actually meaningless by many standards. Someone could be "wealthy" on paper but still be cash poor and live paycheck-to-paycheck. So just because someone has a "Million" dollars net worth doesn't mean they are actually "rich".

I’m not sure how I’m jealous since my net worth is currently higher than hers, although that can quickly change since she does get payed large amounts per project.

Your net worth is calculated by deducting any liabilities. That means is someone has a net worth of 3 million they are wealthy, not just on paper.