Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Disney Irish]

Do you have any proof it wasn’t forced?

Do you think Disney doing everything it can to protect its film is not possible ?

I don't and neither do you, which is why we shouldn't assume. So we go based on what is given at face value. And face value tells us she did it herself, or at the very least with her team with no prompting from Disney.

 

[Chi84]

As I noted above, you’ve heard the statement “free speech doesn’t protect you from the consequences of said speech?”

It’s been said a lot, especially over the last ten years or so.

I’ve heard it used where Disney is concerned to incorrectly justify government retaliation, but I don’t think that’s what you mean.

People are free to say whatever they want within the bounds of the law, but it doesn’t protect them from being criticized or ostracized if others find what they say unsupported or objectionable.

When you say “free” what do you mean free from?

 

[Willmark]

I’ve heard it used where Disney is concerned to incorrectly justify government retaliation, but I don’t think that’s what you mean.

People are free to say whatever they want within the bounds of the law, but it doesn’t protect them from being criticized or ostracized if others find what they say unsupported or objectionable.

The bolded is precisely what is used (and more) in retaliation up to and including trying to get people fired because of a stance.

Not my preferred state of affairs.

 

[Willmark]

Anyways I’ve said what I wanted to. Moving back to movies.

I’ve watched the FF trailer a couple more times and I very much like the look and feel of the 1960s Marvel universe.

The one stumbling block I have is Pedro Pascal as the smartest man in the marvel universe? I thought he was perfect as the Red Viper in GoT, but as Reed Richards? Ummm..

 

[Chi84]

The bolded is precisely what is used (and more) in retaliation up to and including trying to get people fired because of a stance.

Not my preferred state of affairs.

People should be allowed to say whatever they want without fear of being fired?

That’s an extremely substantial departure from the usual employer-employee relationships in this country.

Although some states protect a person’s political speech, which is the basis of Gina Carano’s suit.

 

[DarkMetroid567]

this is the worst thread in the history of threads

 

[Willmark]

People should be allowed to say whatever they want without fear of being fired?

That’s an extremely substantial departure from the usual employer-employee relationships in this country.

Although some states protect a person’s political speech, which is the basis of Gina Carano’s suit.

Ok last part.

Employers is a bit trickier, public company vs private, and other number of factors; part of being employed (but not all) means you have to abide by the terms of your employment, whatever that may be.

My point was a larger one (outside) of employers when a person says something and then person X magnifies it to get them fired, using the ideas we’re talking about.

I don’t really want to go down the rabbit hole of Gina vs any other actor in the employ of Disney. The courts will eventually hash that one out.

Obviously I also fully can’t say what I’d like to given the topic and the board rules.

Now I’m really done.

Movies?

Even though I don’t comment in this thread often I do read it, fascinating stuff.

 

[easyrowrdw]

Screening information is out for this weekend in my area, and Snow White is getting more at open than Mufasa, but less than Captain America: BNW.

Some recentish numbers for comparison (incomplete because I purge my records when I see movies, so now you can see what big movies I haven't seen in theaters):
97 - Captain America: BNW
93 - Quantumania
91 - The Little Mermaid
81 - Snow White
81 - The Marvels
79 - Sonic 3
73 - Mufasa

What do these numbers mean?

 

[Chi84]

Ok last part.

Employers is a bit trickier, public company vs private, and other number of factors; part of being employed (but not all) means you have to abide by the terms of your employment, whatever that may be.

My point was a larger one (outside) of employers when a person says something and then person X magnifies it to get them fired, using the ideas we’re talking about.

I don’t really want to go down the rabbit hole of Gina vs any other actor in the employ of Disney. The courts will eventually hash that one out.

Obviously I also fully can’t say what I’d like to given the topic and the board rules.

Now I’m really done.

Movies?

Even though I don’t comment in this thread often I do read it, fascinating stuff.

I REALLY don’t have a clue of what you’re talking about unless you mean by magnifying that people are lying about others in the workplace.

Okay, it’s off topic so I guess we should leave it.

 

[Trauma]

That's fair. In all cases, I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt unless there is compelling reason not to. I would rather withdraw my forgiveness if it turns out to be unmerited than deny it out of

Well that’s a very nice way of going about things.
The thing is Buford is I think you are probably very nice and thoughtful person. You want to see in others what you see in yourself.

I however don’t inherently see good or bad in anyone. I base it upon their actions. If they behave in a way that is not congruent with my values, I just choose to ignore them or wait for evidence that they have changed.

I don’t really care to follow Zegler closely enough for her to gain my approval. She is nothing to me as I am to her.

It’s simpler just to ignore her and by extension her work.

 

[brideck]

What do these numbers mean?

Thanks, sorry. Those are the number of screenings that each of those movies got on their opening Saturday in my market's 6 AMC theaters. It's intended to be a relatively representative way to measure the size of each movie's opening, since the traditional data only shares number of theaters. Every super major release is in basically every theater, so they all just get reported as ~4000 theaters. There's a lot more wiggle room that goes unreported in that. For example, Deadpool & Wolverine opened with an astronomical 179 screenings in my 6 theaters.

The higher the screening count, the more potential BO theaters are thinking that the movie has for its opening. Most of the biggest movies will have more than a single screen at each theater for the first four weeks of their release.

 

[Tha Realest]

I disagree about Baldwin. I never found him particularly compelling and I prefer the original Infernal Affairs to the remake.

As I said, I think Gadot has been unfairly attacked, often in very ugly ways. The problem is that I just don’t think she’s a very good actor.

That’s fair. In my view, I generally try and separate the art from the artist. A few clear exceptions, in my mind, are: R. Kelly, Kevin Spacey, and more recently, Puff Daddy and Kanye West. Can no longer tolerate their att knowing what they’ve done/are doing. Closer calls are Mel Gibson, who seems genuinely contrite about his sins and also was an alcoholic during those terrible times. Which is also the same reason I can look past Baldwin’s issues. *

*I also try not to let my view of the worthiness of their art work on a sliding scale in terms of how much I’m willing to look past. Chinatown is a perfect test case in that scenario.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It’s galling that we’re pretending the history we’ve all lived through didn’t happen.

Let’s just talk about the dumb unnecessary, live action, remake.

The dwarves look lousy.

…best idea of the entire thread

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I personally think backlash to zegler is more press driven than “basement troll” driven…

I think the film industry put their fingers on the scale and stirred it up more than the play it may have gotten otherwise.

Just an opinion

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The “benefit of the doubt” is a great plan…but it has to be across the board.

Because there are ugly inferences and shade thrown with legitimate adult, real world discussion as to why movies succeed or fail.

Can’t have it both ways. Not as a shield for one specific company. Just invalid

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Thanks, sorry. Those are the number of screenings that each of those movies got on their opening Saturday in my market's 6 AMC theaters. It's intended to be a relatively representative way to measure the size of each movie's opening, since the traditional data only shares number of theaters. Every super major release is in basically every theater, so they all just get reported as ~4000 theaters. There's a lot more wiggle room that goes unreported in that. For example, Deadpool & Wolverine opened with an astronomical 179 screenings in my 6 theaters.

The higher the screening count, the more potential BO theaters are thinking that the movie has for its opening. Most of the biggest movies will have more than a single screen at each theater for the first four weeks of their release.

Are those current, I only ask because I saw a report the Looney tunes movie was already being pulled from a lot of theaters with many likely going to SW.

Sad to see a hand drawn animated movie flop so spectacularly, another nail in the hand drawn animation coffin, I didn’t even know it existed, they did a horrible job of marketing it.

 

[BrianLo]

I would say that’s a fair range

But I also bet (without looking) that over on the captain falcon thread there are at least a few posters diagraming how it is “profitable”

…cause aren’t they all?

You'd be incorrect.

There's fair consensus it is missing the mark of 450 or even Deadline's 425 more generous (and likely informed) cut off. Either way it didn't and won't make it.

 

[brideck]

Are those current, I only ask because I saw a report the Looney tunes movie was already being pulled from a lot of theaters with many likely going to SW.

Sad to see a hand drawn animated movie flop so spectacularly, another nail in the hand drawn animation coffin, I didn’t even know it existed, they did a horrible job of marketing it.

Yeah, I saw that rumor, too, and its demise has been overstated. (The World of Reel piece about that seems to have vanished as well.) Looney Tunes has 17 screenings in my theaters, which is down from its full booking of 26 [basically one screen at each of the 6 theaters x4 or 5 screenings] at its opening last weekend. How quickly it disappears will depend on the competition in the family space -- this weekend there's still Dog Man (9), Paddington in Peru (8), and Mufasa (5), along with Snow White, of course. They've all got two weekends until Minecraft shows up.

 

[Casper Gutman]

That’s fair. In my view, I generally try and separate the art from the artist. A few clear exceptions, in my mind, are: R. Kelly, Kevin Spacey, and more recently, Puff Daddy and Kanye West. Can no longer tolerate their att knowing what they’ve done/are doing. Closer calls are Mel Gibson, who seems genuinely contrite about his sins and also was an alcoholic during those terrible times. Which is also the same reason I can look past Baldwin’s issues. *

*I also try not to let my view of the worthiness of their art work on a sliding scale in terms of how much I’m willing to look past. Chinatown is a perfect test case in that scenario.

Gibson is one of the most magnetic and dynamic performers of the last four decades and I really wanted to believe he changed, but recent evidence implies very strongly that he hasn’t. I’d also add Polanski and Woody Allen to the list of artists I can’t really enjoy anymore.

 

[Ghost93]

That’s fair. In my view, I generally try and separate the art from the artist. A few clear exceptions, in my mind, are: R. Kelly, Kevin Spacey, and more recently, Puff Daddy and Kanye West. Can no longer tolerate their att knowing what they’ve done/are doing. Closer calls are Mel Gibson, who seems genuinely contrite about his sins and also was an alcoholic during those terrible times. Which is also the same reason I can look past Baldwin’s issues. *

*I also try not to let my view of the worthiness of their art work on a sliding scale in terms of how much I’m willing to look past. Chinatown is a perfect test case in that scenario.

I think it depends on the movie. I think Spacey tends to play very evil and slimy characters, so knowing he's a bad person doesn't really ruin my image of his roles in Seven, House of Cards, etc. American Beauty IS harder to enjoy since the plot of the movie revolves around a middle aged man being attracted to his teenage daughter's friend and knowing what we know now about Spacey and minors ... yikes.

As for R Kelly, while I wouldn't purchase any new work of his I probably wouldn't be phased too much if I happened to hear a song of his.. For example, if someone were to play "I Believe I could Fly" my mind would probably drift to thinking about Space Jam or Nike rather than R Kelly's scandals.