Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[brideck]

See, who says Snow White is dated? Even 88 years later, the movie is still spurring discussion!

My favorite thing about the OG Snow White is how they consistently referred to Grumpy as "the woman-hater" in the promotions. Very different times.

 

[Willmark]

I don't know what any of this has to do with my question. I asked what someone—anyone, not just Zegler—who says something inappropriate should do to make amends. My answer is that they should begin by reflecting on their mistake and offering an apology for it. What is your answer?

A lot. I’m guessing you don’t like the implications of what I’m saying?

In this day and age, there is no “stuffing the tooth paste back in the tube” when it comes to speech. Add in social media, smart phones, 24 hour news, antagonism at an all time high and everyone looking for a gotcha?

The answer is there is no making amends. At least not that the other side would accept. That’s why I quoted wargames.

Hence my commentary since I responded first. You might not like it, but it is what it is. I don’t see it changing anytime soon. Until such time all of my commentary stands.

 

[Ayla]

To reiterate: the rage at Zegler began because of her race. Her comments about the original film, taken out of context, were amplified because of the rage based on her race. People are free to criticize her comments. They are not free to rewrite the history behind the hate campaign against her.

If this board is meant to stay apolitical (an impossible goal in any case), why is this nakedly political topic allowed to fester?

You know why.

 

[easyrowrdw]

My favorite thing about the OG Snow White is how they consistently referred to Grumpy as "the woman-hater" in the promotions. Very different times.

I hadn’t seen that. That’s hilarious. Although in Grumpy’s defense, he seems to hate everyone

 

[Willmark]

So anyways as the outsider looking in,(I have no horse in the race) is SW looking like this barely squeaks out a profit or is it going to be in the realm of Eternals, Cap 4 or the Marvels?

 

[brideck]

A lot. I’m guessing you don’t like the implications of what I’m saying?

In this day and age, there is no “stuffing the tooth paste back in the tube” when it comes to speech. Add in social media, smart phones, 24 hour news, antagonism at an all time high and everyone looking for a gotcha?

The answer is there is no making amends. At least not that the other side would except. That why I quoted wargames.

Hence my commentary since I responded first. You might not like it, but it is what it is. I don’t see it changing anytime soon. Until such time all of my commentary stands.

What a terrible world we've created where we no longer believe in forgiveness for momentary lapses.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Honestly my take away is this forum is just a Disney version of HuffPo. It’s exhausting and I have better things to do.

I hope Snow White makes $900 mil and is a blockbuster.

Then maybe Iger can finally afford to improve the parks.

I was hoping for retirement…actually

 

[Willmark]

What a terrible world we've created where we no longer believe in forgiveness for momentary lapses.

Don’t shoot the messenger. I’m simply pointing out what is.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So anyways as the outsider looking in,(I have no horse in the race) is SW looking like this barely squeaks out a profit or is it going to be in the realm of Eternals, Cap 4 or the Marvels?

I would say that’s a fair range

But I also bet (without looking) that over on the captain falcon thread there are at least a few posters diagraming how it is “profitable”

…cause aren’t they all?

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I hadn’t seen that. That’s hilarious. Although in Grumpy’s defense, he seems to hate everyone

Everyone but Snow, I love the part when he grins and sighs after she kisses him on the forehead. Melts his grumpy demeanor in a second.

 

[LittleBuford]

The answer is there is no making amends. At least not that the other side would accept.

I disagree. I have forgiven some pretty dreadful things in my time and am very open to accepting any sincerely made apology. I'd like to think I'm not alone in that.

 

[brideck]

So anyways as the outsider looking in,(I have no horse in the race) is SW looking like this barely squeaks out a profit or is it going to be in the realm of Eternals, Cap 4 or the Marvels?

I think that musicals and things aiming for female audiences are really their own thing. If it gathers steam based on the strength of well-liked songs, etc. then it could get some legs to make things interesting. Mufasa would be a good comp, except that it had the benefit of multiple holiday weekends to build its word of mouth, so I wouldn't expect this to be able to have the same duration of success.

 

[Chi84]

We heard for a number of years that “free speech doesn’t protect you from the consequences of your speech.” I’m fairly sure that was one sided as to who was using that statement. If that’s the standard than it should come as no surprise when one is “hoisted via their own petard.” No?

If that’s the standard, shouldn’t she be judged by that?

I’m likely the biggest proponent of free speech around here. I don’t usually quote movies, but ironically there is a swathe of the country that should read this quote (in part) till it sinks in:

"You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours."

The irony of who the director of the American President is not lost on me.

I’m of the opinion of speech not being censored or people using it to punish those we disagree with. In a perfect world the marketplace of ideas would win out.

Unfortunately, we don’t live in that world.

Free speech as reflected in the quote refers to protection from government retaliation. That’s why it’s in a movie about the American President.

Everyone else can vote with their feet, wallets, whatever if someone says something they don’t like. They are free to do so. No one here stands to get arrested for saying what they do or making the decisions they make.

Our discussion is about the underlying bases and reasonableness of people’s opinions.

Nothing in freedom of speech says we have to treat every bonehead comment equally.

 

[Willmark]

Free speech as reflected in the quote refers to protection from government retaliation. That’s why it’s in a movie about the American President.

I’m well aware of that.

I’m aware and you are likely as well that lip service is paid to that and it weaponized for all manner oof ends that have nothing to do with the law.

Everyone else can vote with their feet, wallets, whatever if someone says something they don’t like. They are free to do so. No one here stands to get arrested for saying what they do or making the decisions they make.

See above.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I disagree. I have forgiven some pretty dreadful things in my time and am very open to accepting any sincerely made apology. I'd like to think I'm not alone in that.

I think it also depends on if you know the person, I’m far more likely to instantly forgive a friend if they do something out of character, or less likely to forgive them if they do something that’s a pattern, when you don’t know the person it’s much harder to gauge sincerity.

 

[Chi84]

I’m aware and you are likely as well that lip service is paid to that and it weaponized for all manner oof ends that have nothing to do with the law.

Can you elaborate or give an example?

 

[Willmark]

I'd like to think I'm not alone in that.

Alone? Not likely. In an ever shrinking minority? Likely yes.

Again not saying I agree with it, simply pointing out what is.

 

[Willmark]

Can you elaborate or give an example?

As I noted above, you’ve heard the statement “free speech doesn’t protect you from the consequences of said speech?”

It’s been said a lot, especially over the last ten years or so.

 

[Willmark]

I think that musicals and things aiming for female audiences are really their own thing. If it gathers steam based on the strength of well-liked songs, etc. then it could get some legs to make things interesting. Mufasa would be a good comp, except that it had the benefit of multiple holiday weekends to build its word of mouth, so I wouldn't expect this to be able to have the same duration of success.

Interestingly we agree here.

Musicals are such a funny thing. Can’t remember which thread but I shared a link about genres and the break down of the favorability of each.

Between men and women most genres were somewhat close, but the one that had the widest range? Musicals. Men on average had it as their least favorite by the largest margin.

 

[LittleBuford]

I think it also depends on if you know the person, I’m far more likely to instantly forgive a friend if they do something out of character, or less likely to forgive them if they do something that’s a pattern, when you don’t know the person it’s much harder to gauge sincerity.

That's fair. In all cases, I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt unless there is compelling reason not to. I would rather withdraw my forgiveness if it turns out to be unmerited than deny it out of cynicism.