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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Agent H said:
The previous 3 fantastic 4 movies failed because they were bad not because general audiences don’t care about them
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The fantastic four was written as a “family” of flawed superheroes. Which was a twist on do gooders for comics in 1960s

But that doesn’t really resonate outside the comic store to the masses. And the actual characters are rather uninteresting for the eyes when they compare to X and Avenger ones

Now that worked really well for the incredibles…but they hit a different target.

FF just seems to be boring. Before your time…but they had Jessica alba, Chris Evans and Julian McMahon as a perfect doom in the first one…which was a decent hit. Eye candy. The second one wasn’t good…the last reboot was terrible.

It’s like the muppets…people love it…but not ENOUGH people love it for the mega corp

We’ll see…I hope it’s good but marvel could very well go 0-3 this year. Especially since starting today a predicted $1,500,000,000,000 increase on just common consumer products..not high faluting financial stuff…kicks in

Things may get tight…because they should…but I’m sure the world will try to con its way out of it.
 
Disney Analyst

Disney Analyst

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Vegas Disney Fan said:
I’m a huge Stitch fan so I hope you are correct but I put it in the $500 million category on my list, I think it’s more niche than something like Moana or Zootopia so I’m afraid that’ll limit its box office.

That said I wouldn’t be surprised if it hits $750 million + if the word of mouth is good. It’s the type of movie that could go viral if the kids love it and it gets good buzz.
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In my eyes, I see it as just the right kind of nostalgia fuel to get people out. A character people love, from a movie that was not really oversaturated. Has a decent global following, especially in Asia.

It feels like an Inside Out 2 situation to me, not to the same extent and not with the same global gross, but I just see it playing well.

We will see.
 
erasure fan1

erasure fan1

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LittleBuford said:
Is it terrible of me that I don't want it to succeed, even as a big Stitch fan? I am sick to death of these remakes and really hope Disney stops making them.
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With this group it is. Lol. I will say this, welcome to the club. The first Few I was fairly indifferent. But then they just really started to annoy me. Because like you said, they just don't hold up to the originals at all. And some are an insult to the animated versions.
Sirwalterraleigh said:
The original movie was - at most - a modest hit at the time…but the merchandising/pull longevity has been one of the biggest Disney success stories in decades…
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Yup, the merch around me has been front and center for a while now. Although Lilo and stitch did a lot better in it's theatrical. The merch reminds me of nightmare b4 xmas. It really seemed to take off well after the fact. If this one does only 500mil ish, like mermaid, I'll be surprised. Like Bufford, I just want these to stop. But this is one I would guess will have a big demand. Unless it sucks, but this should be a layup for Disney unfortunately.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Sirwalterraleigh said:
The money will tell the tale of the “trends”
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Yes it does, much to your dismay Disney does follow trends and has been rather successful doing it.

Sirwalterraleigh said:
When you give people what they want at the box office…like inside out and Moana…it gives them comfort and you are rewarded.

If it’s not…you flop or tread water.
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Your definition though of what is a "reward" versus failure is very likely different than those inside the walls 500 South Buena Vista Street. So while you're calling balls and strikes that means nothing, the people inside those walls have the actual tally sheet and they decide what is a success or not. So while I appreciate your opinion, if Disney is doing something that continues to be a "failure" to you that must mean they have data that shows it was actually a successful endeavor previously.

Sirwalterraleigh said:
But it doesn’t matter what we say.
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Correct it doesn't, which wonders then why you fight so hard against some of us when we discuss how something breaks even or is a "success", if it doesn't matter why care what we say.


Sirwalterraleigh said:
Another example…the parks in Florida are struggling. Period. Losing people, cutting costs and drastically increasing prices to try and keep up. That beast feeds itself.

That is not opinion…it’s in their financials and has been confirmed by all their coverage.

But some people here would say
“I think it’s great”
“It’s never been better”
“It’s worth it to ME”

All opinions and that’s fine…but Also incorrect as being stated by the cold, hard math
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Apples and oranges. Its easier to track what is and isn't working at the parks, not so much in the movie space due to factors that are unknown.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Sirwalterraleigh said:
Fantastic four always lands with a comparative thud

Very sacred to marvel/comic lovers…and an ingenious kinda take for its time

But not really compelling characters to the casual fans. This will likely follow suit. Won’t flop…will kinda be “meh”

Just what history tells us
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Except if you take the first film released in 2005 and inflation adjust its WW totals, which everyone likes to do, you have $560M WW.

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That by any standards is a success, not a "thud" as you call it. So I think as long as the movie is good it has a shot at being very successful, as that is all that fans want, hardcore and casuals alike. Also I think you're discounting the fact that many casual fans have grown up with these characters on the large screen now for 20 years. So they aren't as "uncompelling" as you think.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Sirwalterraleigh said:
I’ll probably be wrong…but I think stitch will be Disneys biggest hit this year…if it’s even decent. Unless there’s an avatar…which I can never keep straight.
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Disney's biggest movie in 2025 (and really the entire box office) will be Avatar 3 releasing in December, no question. Everything else is battling for second place.
 
AdventureHasAName

AdventureHasAName

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The biggest problem the Fantastic Four movies have had is that they all screw up Doctor Doom and he's the most important character. It would be like adapting Star Wars and screwing up Darth Vader. They appear primed to do it again by making Doom some Tony Stark-variant because they never, ever learn a lesson.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

Premium Member
AdventureHasAName said:
The biggest problem the Fantastic Four movies have had is that they all screw up Doctor Doom and he's the most important character. It would be like adapting Star Wars and screwing up Darth Vader. They appear primed to do it again by making Doom some Tony Stark-variant because they never, ever learn a lesson.
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Except they didn't screw him up in the 2005 one, its all the ones that came after. Julian McMahon I thought did a really good job in the 2005 one. It should also be said that all previous outings were under Fox not Disney/Marvel so that also has some bearing on things.

Also until we get the details of the RDJ Doom, we don't know yet if he will indeed be a Stark variant or not (RDJ himself says no so I would take that as confirmation right now that he's not).
 

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