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DAK 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

abaker1975

Active Member
Whilst I agree that "replacement" rides is the last thing AK need I am pleased to see the end of Chester and Hester's. I do think it is a shame that "Dinosaur's" as a land concept can not be made to work with a refresh and build Tropical America's in another location. I do think that would help get building up where the park should be.
 

Bocabear

Well-Known Member
I think you are skewing your numbers but choosing not to include things on your list.

Rides (8):
Flight of Passage
Navi River Journey
Kilimanjaro Safari
Wildlife Express
Everest
Kali
Triceratops Spin
Dinosaur

Dedicated Shows (4):
Lion King
Nemo
Tough to be a Bug
Feathered Friends

Major Attractions(4):
Boneyard
Gorilla Falls Trail
Maharaja Jungle Trek
Rafiki's Plant Watch
Wildlife Express? The train to Rafikis Planet Watch? That is not really a ride anymore than the parking lot tram is....
THe Boneyard is not a major attraction...It is a play area...
And I agree Rafifkis Planet Watch at this stage isn't much of an attraction either.
so really, 7 rides, 4 shows, 2 Animal Attractions.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Not every environment found within the tropics is a tropical climate
By definition, a climate in the tropics is a tropical environment. There are snow capped mountains and sand-duney deserts between the Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn. A rain forest is not the only "tropical climate." In fact, rain forests can be found outside the tropics.

"Tropical America" is not about rain forests. Encanto is located in the tropics and it is a mountainous forest and not a rain forest.
 

TrainsOfDisney

Well-Known Member
Rhode is the least of the problem with AK. Including shows, there are 11 attractions--that is it. I have been pounding the table for over 10 years that EVERY park should have over 20 attractions
I agree that all of the parks should be as packed as Disneyland Park but….. DAK is more of a full day park than DHS to me. DHS is so crowded and with no parade, no citizens, and very little to do except for shows and quick 3-4 minute attractions, it’s lots of waiting in line of watching shows all day.

DHS can still be enjoyable of course, but I feel like DAK is in better shape since the safari is a decent length attraction, you have really nice animal trails to experience in between attractions, etc.
 

TrainsOfDisney

Well-Known Member
Just curious.
After this lands remake will there be room to expand it with additional attractions down the line
I think so…. There is room to expand past the dinosaur / Indy attraction. You’d have to work around the service road but that’s doable.

On the other side you have the theatre for the Nemo show which could easily become a show based on Encanto / coco, etc…. Or it could be repurposed as an attraction.
 

FerretAfros

Well-Known Member
I think down the road I wouldn't be shocked if they added small-medium sized animal enclosures.
I would be shocked if they added any animal enclosures after the initial buildout. The last time any new enclosures were built at the park was during the 1999 Asia expansion, 1 year after the part originally opened. In the 25 years since then, nothing. Sure they've rearranged some of the animals within those exhibits, but they've done nothing for the park's overall capacity nor the number of things for a guest to experience on a given day.

On the one hand, this is expected. Animals are expensive, and much of the park's early budget issues were blamed on the care facilities costing more than expected. Animals are unpredictable, making it tough to guarantee all guests will have positive viewing experiences. Animals are difficult for viewing by large crowds, making most traditional exhibits very low-capacity by theme park standards. And animals have a lot of needs, including ongoing care requirements and limited hours that guests can/want to observe them. If you're an executive planning the park's future, of course you're going to prioritize things that are cheaper to operate with higher capacity and reliability.

But because of all this, if they are ever going to actually add more animal experiences throughout the park, they're not going to do it in a peacemeal fashion: it's going to be done as part of a major addition/reconfiguration, like a new land. Regular exhibits cost too much and don't have the capacity to 'justify' their addition as a stand-alone item; they would have to either be wrapped into a larger project, or be incorporated into some sort high-throughput attraction like the Safari.

The park was always master-planned to have the animals mostly on the north side near the main care facilities, and park operations facilities focused mainly on the south side, which makes this location challenging. However, they're redoing a large enough area and have enough backstage connections to the animal support facilities that it wouldn't be overly difficult to find a way to make it work; it wouldn't be any more difficult than caring for the animals in The Oasis. There are countless ways that live animals could be incorporated into this new area, they just don't want to do it.

Avatar was able to get away with not having animals because the animals in the film don't actually exist and we were promised the land's upsides (weather-tolerant indoor attractions and atmosphere requiring longer park hours) would offset that drawback. At the time there was plenty of skepticism about a land at DAK without animals, but that was outweighed by the lively energy and long hours the first couple years it was open. Now that the novelty has started wearing off and the park's rarely open after dark, it's tough to walk through that area and not feel like something is missing that makes it feel different from the rest of the park.

Now it seems they're not even trying to justify not adding animals: they're spending a boatload of money to redress an existing attraction, swap one spinner for another, swap one play area for another, and only add one new (D-ticket?) attraction. They're theming it all to an area known for its biodiversity, but they can't even manage to have attractions that focus on animal-related stories and instead are using human-focused ones that only have the most fleeting references to animals.

If they're not going to focus on the animals any more, then why can't they build more non-animal things to do? Why can't they manage to fix the goofy operational hours that revolve around when animals are active? Why does this park simultaneously not have enough animal stuff to be a real zoo-like experience, not have enough non-animal stuff to be a regular theme park, and just generally not have enough stuff for the average guest to fill a day without waiting in brutally long lines?

If they're going to try and fix the problems of this park (and, to be fair, all 4 WDW parks), then they need to build a lot more of everything. Every little bit of capacity helps, but instead of adding things to make the park stronger overall, Disney only seems interested in redressing what's there, which will inevitably increase demand without the corresponding capacity increase to offset it.
I'm way late to this party, so somebody may have already pointed this out, but Disneyland sees almost twice as many daily visitors as DAK on average. I would assume that plays into wait times. If you're going to use wait times as a metric for comparing popularity, you need to account for all variables.
Disneyland also has well more than double the attraction hourly capacity of DAK and also regularly operates much longer hours. Considering just E-ticket type attractions (acknowledging that there's a wide range of capacity within that category), DL has 13 (Jungle Cruise, Indiana Jones, Pirates, Mansion, [soon to be Tiana's], Rise of the Resistance, Big Thunder, Mickey & Minnie's Runaway Railway, it's a small world, Matterhorn, Submarine Voyage, Space Mountain & Star Tours), while DAK has 4 (Flight of Passage, Safari, Everest, Dinosaur).

On a typical summer day when DAK might have 12 hours of operations (8am-8pm), DL will regularly have 16 (8am-midnight). DL also doesn't close half of its attractions several hours before the park closes because it's starting to get dark. While DL's operations and entertainment still haven't fully rebounded after Covid, the park's bones are much better suited for the crowds it gets than any of WDW's parks.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
Wildlife Express? The train to Rafikis Planet Watch? That is not really a ride anymore than the parking lot tram is....
THe Boneyard is not a major attraction...It is a play area...
And I agree Rafifkis Planet Watch at this stage isn't much of an attraction either.
so really, 7 rides, 4 shows, 2 Animal Attractions.

And thus the problem with trying to measure how many attractions a park has. Some people could spend two days in AK, others 1/2 day is plenty.
 

Bocabear

Well-Known Member
I love the Animal Trails... I think they are brilliant and beautifully done. The Train to Rfiki's Planet Watch however is not much of a "Ride" and Rafiki's Planet Watch is even duller...
With all the new additions in place we will net 1 Ride.
THat's not much expansion for a park that is light on rides and attractions....
 

Rockishcoco

Well-Known Member
The last time any new enclosures were built at the park was during the 1999 Asia expansion, 1 year after the part originally opened
Agree with the general gist of this but I do think that the Safari additions factor in. The African Wild Dogs/Hyenas certainly count as a new enclosure even if they are on a high throughput attraction and not standalone as you say.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
I love the Animal Trails... I think they are brilliant and beautifully done. The Train to Rfiki's Planet Watch however is not much of a "Ride" and Rafiki's Planet Watch is even duller...
With all the new additions in place we will net 1 Ride.
THat's not much expansion for a park that is light on rides and attractions....

Aladdin's Magic Carpets isn't much of a ride either, so I won't put that on a list of rides in MK.
 

WorldExplorer

Well-Known Member
Well, it's hard to find Banshees running around in the wild...

Or dinosaurs.

Which I was under the impression was why Dinoland was lacking in the real animal department compared to Africa and Asia. I, personally, found it to be a darned good excuse.

There are 63,000 different animal species in Colombia alone, so Tropical Americas doesn't have that one.
 

Jayspency

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Don't give them ideas.

Sorry, Kuzco merchandise doesn't sell as well as Mirabel merchandise.

Well, it's hard to find Banshees running around in the wild...

I didn't even think of that. The longer they're open, the more Mirabel merchandise they can sell.
I don't understand why Disney NEEDS a new ride based around an ip to sell merchandise for that ip. Can't they just sell Encanto merchandise without an Encanto ride?
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I'm way late to this party, so somebody may have already pointed this out, but Disneyland sees almost twice as many daily visitors as DAK on average. I would assume that plays into wait times. If you're going to use wait times as a metric for comparing popularity, you need to account for all variables.
Twice as many visitors spread over 5 times as many rides. There are other factors that make a difference too addressed in the post below.

I agree it’s not exactly apples to apples. Disneyland park has millions more visitors for sure and is generally open longer each day, but it also has about 35 rides vs 7 at AK so the crowds at DL are much more spread out. As I said before I do think that one of the reasons Indy is probably more popular than Dinosaur is because it’s in a much more popular land tucked between Jungle Cruise and Pirates on the path leading to Haunted Mansion, Splash and eventually the other way into Galaxy’s Edge. Clearly that route gets a lot more foot traffic than Dinoland in AK. So it may really be that Dinoland itself was a lot less popular and the Dinosaur ride wasn‘t enough of a draw to bring crowds in.

The good news is in 3 short years we will actually have a better comparison. If the Indy ride at AK ends up with similar lines as Dinosaur had we will have our answer that Dinosaur wasn’t the problem. My money is on Indy being a lot more crowded with longer waits. We still won’t know if it’s just that the ride is a better draw or the overall land is. My guess is both will be true. It would have to be a terrible swing and miss for Encanto to be less appealing than the carnival area it is replacing so I expect a lot more people in the new land.
 

The Leader of the Club

Well-Known Member
I don't understand why Disney NEEDS a new ride based around an ip to sell merchandise for that ip. Can't they just sell Encanto merchandise without an Encanto ride?
Merchandise, yes.
Vacations? Maybe not.

Think of all the parents of little girls who will see an ad for the new Encanto ride and think “my daughter loves Encanto, maybe we should finally go to Disney World this summer.” Then they’ll buy park tickets, a resort stay, lightning lane, food, AND Encanto Merch. Much more profitable than just selling merch to people who would be coming to WDW anyway.

The new Encanto ride brings in the crowds who will then buy Encanto merchandise.
 

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
I don't understand why Disney NEEDS a new ride based around an ip to sell merchandise for that ip. Can't they just sell Encanto merchandise without an Encanto ride?
Maybe I'm not looking in the right places but I don't see merchandise for Encanto outside of the theme parks. 🤷‍♂️
 

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