ToTBellHop
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They are all connected. They just dam it up when draining RoA. It connects to Jungle Cruise and the Castle moat but water doesn’t freely flow between them (JC water is tinted, of course).
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DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios
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Coaster Lover
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Hmm... MILF takes over Muppet Vision 3D.... and a new Pigs In Space inspired Muppets show takes over MILF in Tomorrowland! Works for me...
Basil of Baker Street
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Listening to everyone carry on about the Muppets you would think MV3D consistently has a line around the corner to get in.
But it doesn't. Want to know why? It's not very funny/entertaining. Don't believe me? Next time you go, don't listen to the show, look around and listen to the audience. It's quiet. Nothing like Philharmagic.
But it doesn't. Want to know why? It's not very funny/entertaining. Don't believe me? Next time you go, don't listen to the show, look around and listen to the audience. It's quiet. Nothing like Philharmagic.
lazyboy97o
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Which would betray any stated concerns concerns about capacity. It would show that they actually like the current experience of Disney’s Hollywood Studios.
PizzaPlanet
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I keep seeing the justification that if MV3D doesn’t close, it’ll be replaced in a few years anyway. But as fans we know there are a multitude of factors that cause future projects to be cancelled or delayed indefinitely. It could be a very long time until DHS gets another expansion. During that time would you rather have Muppets or Launch Bay?
Jrb1979
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Regardless of that. You still need those filler no height requirement short wait attractions in the parks. Not everything has to have a 2 hour wait for it to be needed.
lazyboy97o
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Which is a really good place for a continuously running theater show. It means guests can walk up and see the next show. It also means you can do minimal staffing. There’s still enough seating so that people can generally sort themselves during your desired load time instead of having to have staff to corral people and make sure they’re going where they should.
PizzaPlanet
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The lighting lane revenue excuse doesn't make much sense either. You could point to countless other examples across all 4 parks that bring in exactly $0 of the genie plus cash. If they care so much about that, why is WOL deserted and Imagination neglected?
LSLS
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Nonsense. I've been assured that lower attendance is the goal if management to make sure the experiences are great. Are you saying that may not be the case?
PizzaPlanet
Well-Known Member
Have you ever seen Philharmagic with a line around the corner?
The silent crowd is an anecdotal experience. Based on other recent experiences described in this thread there are clearly plenty of audiences still enjoying it daily
Jrb1979
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They can't replace everything all at once. The Lightning Lane thing makes sense for any new attractions. For them to be built they factor in the money that new will make with LL
Basil of Baker Street
Well-Known Member
I agree with that.
Basil of Baker Street
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No, but the audience is at least engaged.
PizzaPlanet
Well-Known Member
In that case it's a miracle Country Bears survived. The LL justification could be made for any non-E ticket in the parks
erasure fan1
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Correct. Disney has absolutely no concern for guest satisfaction. If they did, they would have addressed capacity when star wars was opening. They have no problems charging full boat for a middling experience. As I've said, you can hate the Muppets or you can love them. But as park fans, NO ONE should be ok with them swapping out the Muppets. Or anything else for that matter. There's just no need to.
WoundedDreamer
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This boiling controversy and panic over the placement of the Monster's Inc. land could have been mitigated with a better D23 presentation. Disney Parks fans like concrete details. If you're going to eliminate a fan-favorite attraction, let people know in the presentation. Alternatively, if this is going into an area that will leave Muppets undisturbed, let people know in the presentation. How could you let people know? In D'Amaro's two hour grueling monstrosity (no offense to the Monsters of Monstropolis) he could have put a map up with the rough project boundary area. That way everyone would know where this project is supposed to be placed. Then we could respond accordingly.
Theme parks are holistic experiences. An attraction cannot exist divorced from the greater whole. Knowing where the attraction is going to be placed is just as important as knowing what the attraction is going to be. Looking at this forum, it seems like the evidence is pretty clear that the Muppets are on the chopping block. Why wasn't this communicated?
Then we come to the other problem with this attraction. I was watching the live thread when this new ride was announced, and within minutes of this attraction's announcement I was gratified to see @Casper Gutman point out something that the executives and creatives at Disney should have thought of months ago. This type of attraction is not what Disney's Hollywood Studios needs. Not at all.
Why?
DHS has an abundance of attractions with height restrictions. Let's go through them:
1) Tower of Terror (40 Inches)
2) RnR (48 Inches)
3) SDD (38 Inches)
4) Alien Swirling (32 Inches)
5) Smuggler's Fun (38 Inches)
6) Rise (40 Inches)
7) Star Tours (40 Inches)
Even the 38 Inch height requirements are keeping out a large portion of 3 year olds. And once a child can safely ride a thrill ride with a given height requirement, they still may not want to. Height requirements tend to be a proxy for intensity, so temperamentally a child might not want to ride a more intense attraction. Intense attractions limit their addressable audience.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against more intense attractions in a theme park. I believe that having a well-rounded slate of attractions is important. That includes rides like Tower of Terror and RnR. But the Hollywood Studios ride roster skews more intense. The only rides that don't have a height requirement are Midway Mania and Runaway Railway. This is made less problematic with the many shows in the park, but the obvious bias towards intensity remains.
To correct for this imbalance, Hollywood Studios needs rides that have no height restriction. Moreover, Hollywood Studios has an acute problem with wait times. More capacity is desperately needed. An example of a suitable ride to fill this niche is the Little Mermaid attraction at Magic Kingdom. It's a strong mix of high capacity and welcoming to all ages. Alternatively, multiple smaller attractions like the Fantasyland dark rides would accomplish something similar. That would give families more things to do and get people off of paths.
To add insult to injury, this Monster's Inc. ride is going to be taking an attraction that is open to all ages (Muppets) and replacing it with a ride that will probably have a 40 Inch height restriction. This is actually making the park less welcoming to families with small children. And because it's replacing a high capacity theater show, it won't make a significant difference to park crowd levels.
Time and again we have seen Disney and WDI build attractions that seek to push technological boundaries and showcase their design prowess. This isn't a bad thing at all. But it has to be bounded by an understanding of what the park needs. Disney's Hollywood Studios does not need another bespoke E Ticket. It has a robust D and E Ticket lineup (Tower of Terror, RnR, Rise, Smuggler's Fun, Mickey, Slinky, Midway Mania, Star Tours). These technologically complex rides have been added while the high-capacity dark rides and Fantasyland dark rides that built Disney into a juggernaut are missed.
This is not to say that Monster's Inc. won't be fun, engaging, and popular. But I am not at all convinced this attraction is what Hollywood Studios needs. Especially if it comes at the cost of a family friendly attraction.
Theme parks are holistic experiences. An attraction cannot exist divorced from the greater whole. Knowing where the attraction is going to be placed is just as important as knowing what the attraction is going to be. Looking at this forum, it seems like the evidence is pretty clear that the Muppets are on the chopping block. Why wasn't this communicated?
Then we come to the other problem with this attraction. I was watching the live thread when this new ride was announced, and within minutes of this attraction's announcement I was gratified to see @Casper Gutman point out something that the executives and creatives at Disney should have thought of months ago. This type of attraction is not what Disney's Hollywood Studios needs. Not at all.
Why?
DHS has an abundance of attractions with height restrictions. Let's go through them:
1) Tower of Terror (40 Inches)
2) RnR (48 Inches)
3) SDD (38 Inches)
4) Alien Swirling (32 Inches)
5) Smuggler's Fun (38 Inches)
6) Rise (40 Inches)
7) Star Tours (40 Inches)
Even the 38 Inch height requirements are keeping out a large portion of 3 year olds. And once a child can safely ride a thrill ride with a given height requirement, they still may not want to. Height requirements tend to be a proxy for intensity, so temperamentally a child might not want to ride a more intense attraction. Intense attractions limit their addressable audience.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against more intense attractions in a theme park. I believe that having a well-rounded slate of attractions is important. That includes rides like Tower of Terror and RnR. But the Hollywood Studios ride roster skews more intense. The only rides that don't have a height requirement are Midway Mania and Runaway Railway. This is made less problematic with the many shows in the park, but the obvious bias towards intensity remains.
To correct for this imbalance, Hollywood Studios needs rides that have no height restriction. Moreover, Hollywood Studios has an acute problem with wait times. More capacity is desperately needed. An example of a suitable ride to fill this niche is the Little Mermaid attraction at Magic Kingdom. It's a strong mix of high capacity and welcoming to all ages. Alternatively, multiple smaller attractions like the Fantasyland dark rides would accomplish something similar. That would give families more things to do and get people off of paths.
To add insult to injury, this Monster's Inc. ride is going to be taking an attraction that is open to all ages (Muppets) and replacing it with a ride that will probably have a 40 Inch height restriction. This is actually making the park less welcoming to families with small children. And because it's replacing a high capacity theater show, it won't make a significant difference to park crowd levels.
Time and again we have seen Disney and WDI build attractions that seek to push technological boundaries and showcase their design prowess. This isn't a bad thing at all. But it has to be bounded by an understanding of what the park needs. Disney's Hollywood Studios does not need another bespoke E Ticket. It has a robust D and E Ticket lineup (Tower of Terror, RnR, Rise, Smuggler's Fun, Mickey, Slinky, Midway Mania, Star Tours). These technologically complex rides have been added while the high-capacity dark rides and Fantasyland dark rides that built Disney into a juggernaut are missed.
This is not to say that Monster's Inc. won't be fun, engaging, and popular. But I am not at all convinced this attraction is what Hollywood Studios needs. Especially if it comes at the cost of a family friendly attraction.
Stripes
Premium Member
TC was the first and only insider to share the Monsters Inc. coaster before D23. I think he probably has a source close to the project. And that source is apparently saying it’s going in Animation Courtyard.
people here were wrong about d23. Moana boat comes to mind. And nobody believed the existing door coaster rumor too here, when it was mentioned.
Like if Tom is right, and everyone else is wrong, what do you think happened source wise?