Disney Irish
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If you're going to quote me to make a meme at least quote me right, I said "until they release their next major release on April 5th there is nothing to talk regarding Disney's 2024 box office."
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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Disstevefan1
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Yea, don't get upset.
IgerMeme was just paraphrasing a friend and he did not want to get specific with dates to be fair to his friend.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I’m not upset, it’s all in fun to me. I’m just saying quote me right if you’re gonna make a meme out of what I say.
I did - it's already being used that way, might as well make it work. This is of course focused on Disney, but hard to not bring up the other companies for comparisons, etc.
erasure fan1
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I'm not sure you've been paying attention. Their box office has been extremely scrutinized, and not just by people here. Just do a bit of searching. Here's just a few headlines of one quick search.
‘Inside Out 2’ Got A New Trailer Today; Will Riley’s Return Help Pixar Find Its Lost Box Office Mojo?
Netflix and Disney’s Film Divisions Are Moving in Different Directions
Disney CEO Says Deadpool & Wolverine Will End Marvel's Losing Streak
Kinda sounds like box office scrutiny.
I've seen MANY review channels with click bait titles like " Disneys box office failures continue"... "Another Disney bomb!"
And it's funny because there's a lot of people here who complain that so many of Disneys problems stem from the toxic people on YouTube. And when people like myself say that's way overblown, you don't agree. But yet now this doesn't matter? I get that you're a Disney optimist, but to say their box office isn't under scrutiny, is just being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. Even Iger has said it. Why do you think the headlines are now, Igers cutting projects?
2023 "Gah, UNIVERSAL IS SO PATHETIC WITH mid tier PG-13 horror being 1/3rd of their success.
2024: Let's not judge Disney's box office. We can't anyway, its only money and that's not what a box office thread is about, and we have to wait and see Disney's first release of the year....an Omen film.
Or we can wait for Kingdom of the Planet of The Apes?
A Family Animated movie just opened very well under Dune 2 now making all that gravy.
2024: Let's not judge Disney's box office. We can't anyway, its only money and that's not what a box office thread is about, and we have to wait and see Disney's first release of the year....an Omen film.
Or we can wait for Kingdom of the Planet of The Apes?
A Family Animated movie just opened very well under Dune 2 now making all that gravy.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I've been paying attention quite a bit.
We were talking about the Soul, Turning Red, and Luca Pixar releases, not any other Disney movie release. So lets not conflate the 2023 issues with these movies right now in 2024. They are not being scrutinized or put under a microscope other than this thread. Yes overall Disney's box office is being looked at closely, but NOT those Pixar releases which again is what we've been talking about. They have been ignored by almost everyone, again other than some posters in this thread.
The next time a Disney movie will be under the microscope will be April 5th when First Omen releases, and then May 10th for Planet of the Apes, and then May 31st when Young Woman and the Sea releases. Those will be under a microscope, and rightfully so.
Most likely to look for them to make money somewhere after theater play.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Maybe, maybe not. Of the 3 mentioned I think Planet of the Apes has potential, the last one made almost $500M WW off a $150M budget. So it can make money if the budgets remain low.
But we'll see what happens.
erasure fan1
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Just because it's 2024 doesn't mean Disney is off the hook. I just gave you headlines, from right now, that show they are being scrutinized, for movies coming out soon. It's how the world works. You're compared against what you did before. Like it or not, it's how things work. If a coach has a few bad seasons, it's not, well it's a new season, everything is great. No, they'll be under the microscope for the current season because of the results from the previous seasons.
Funny, I guess I just imagined all the videos talking about how the movies did. I'll give you mainstream didn't talk about it. But all these so called YouTube channels that have caused so much damage, were very much talking about it.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
No one said Disney is off the hook for 2024. Yes they are being scrutinized for their major releases in 2024 such as Deadpool 3, which those articles show, but they ARE NOT being scrutinized for the re-release of Soul, Turning Red, or Luca which is what we were talking about.
Can you provide me an article or Youtube video that is specifically talking about Soul, Turning Red, and Luca as box office failures in 2024?
erasure fan1
Well-Known Member
Here's 4 on one simple search. And it's funnier because I fat fingered pixar and put in picar and it still came up. I'm sure there are plenty more as I'm not going to link them all. You can go look for yourself.
Uh you did. You specifically said Disneys box office isn't under scrutiny like I said it was. And that is absolutely a 100% false statement as I showed. You then said 2024 is a clean slate. While true, they are still absolutely under scrutiny, a clean slate doesn't absolve that.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Thank you, I'll review those. But none of those are major sites, and one of those is Clownfish which is a known Disney hater channel so I take anything they say with a country full of salt.
Also here is what I really said when we started this -
So yeah I guess its getting some play in the Youtube anti-Disney crowd, and I'll say I was wrong on that, but its not really getting any play outside of that. So I don't consider that really being under a microscope or scrutinized like it would be by getting major headlines. So these three Pixar releases are pretty much being ignored by everyone else, and they should be as they aren't meant to make headlines or make huge box office. But next month those headlines will start up when First Omen releases as Disney's first major 2024 release.
They Pixar releases meant to make a healthy ROI like other re-releases do, but they didn't. Not exactly helping branding. That is why they were scrutinized. Disney's not beloved direct to streams were not beloved enough to profit in theaters a years later. You specifically asked for youtubers commentating on this from the poster who provided them.
We almost got a guess you are right type comment out of you. So we are getting to you having humility.
You got exactly what you asked for, and then referred back to quote a comment of your own from earlier.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I admit when I'm wrong all the time, when I'm actually wrong and its not just someone misconstruing what I posted. So yeah I was wrong that Youtube, especially the anti-Disney crowd, is looking at this stuff more closely than others, which to be honest is half expected. But its still not making major headlines, like the any of Disney's 2023 releases, which is what I really meant.
And I thanked Erasure (I'm a big fan of Oh L' Amour
) for the Youtube posts as I don't go down the Youtube rabbit hole of looking for videos with less than 100k views for anti-Disney content. As those don't really move the needle too much, some of those channels were anti-Disney long before 2023, so would always be against anything they released.Also we know these Pixar releases weren't meant to garner huge box office, or what you call "healthy ROI", as there wasn't a huge marketing campaign behind them (or any for that matter). If there was then we could say Disney expected them to have huge box office, but they didn't, so they don't have that expectation. As was alluded to by Erasure, and which I agree, I suspect they were thrown as "lambs to the slaughter" in order to appease some at Pixar who felt shortchanged by the straight to D+ release.
erasure fan1
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As I said, as it was argued to me, those online vloggers/streamers/YouTubers, were a very big reason Disney has struggled in the box office. That's why I said, why release these movies if you weren't going to make anything and it would just add to the Disney stinks narrative. I did say it wasn't being covered by the major media outlets.
When I said under the microscope, it's Disney as a whole. Not just those rereleases.
Then you say
Everything they do will most likely have box-office questions around it. It's already started as I showed earlier. Until they have a 3 or movie run of good success, it will be a topic in a lot of the talking points around their films.
It doesn't matter to me that they released them. And as I said, it was most likely just to throw some scraps at pixar to make them happy. What got me was the whole Disneys box-office isn't under the microscope that you said. And it sure seemed like it was being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative.
Disney is doing no favors for Pixar tht way. They just had massive layoffs.
No, they did not release all three pixar movies(and market the re-releases in theaters before kids movies) for charity and to lose money on the deal.
There are plenty of re-releases, such as Jurassic Park that make millions and have been and are readily available on multiple streaming platforms.
We don't need to paint the three re-releases separated like it was a charity film festival.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I figured we had started talking past each other here. We had been talking about specifically these 3 Pixar releases, not the entire Disney box office. So I continued the conversation as if we were still talking about that, but it appears you wanted to branch out to talk about the entire Disney box office when you were talking about under the microscope and scrutiny.
Anyways, we'll see how their first major release for 2024 does next month.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
None of us here know the real motivation behind these 3 Pixar movies being released. But given it got no real marketing push we can guess that it wasn't meant to do much at the box office.
To make some kind of box office money on ones that seem somewhat liked and help the brand fall that has happened.
More than it made was marketed as back in theaters. Hence, more flopping. Just because you did not see it does not mean it was not marketed. I saw it before three different theatrical releases over winter.