Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[BuddyThomas]

Maybe everyone can start being a little nicer?

Maybe if the Disney Hate Club left the site and went off and formed a Six Flags Club or a Dollywood Club or something, but no. They insist on hanging out here and trolling.

 

[Tha Realest]

Maybe if the Disney Hate Club left the site and went off and formed a Six Flags Club or a Dollywood Club or something, but no. They insist on hanging out here and trolling.

We’re not the ones getting continually deleted. Perhaps there’s unregulated Pixie Dust Discord you can share these thoughts? Or better yet, yell them out loud during an evening showing this week of The Marvels (you won’t be disturbing anyone else)

 

[Disney Irish]

Maybe if the Disney Hate Club left the site and went off and formed a Six Flags Club or a Dollywood Club or something, but no. They insist on hanging out here and trolling.

We’re not the ones getting continually deleted. Perhaps there’s unregulated Pixie Dust Discord you can share these thoughts? Or better yet, yell them out loud during an evening showing this week of The Marvels (you won’t be disturbing anyone else)

Or how about everyone stop the snarky comments and just discuss things peacefully. We all have differences of opinions, but we can all do it peacefully and not get snarky (myself included).

 

[BuddyThomas]

We’re not the ones getting continually deleted. Perhaps there’s unregulated Pixie Dust Discord you can share these thoughts? Or better yet, yell them out loud during an evening showing this week of The Marvels (you won’t be disturbing anyone else)

What are you even here for?

 

[BuddyThomas]

Or how about everyone stop the snarky comments and just discuss things peacefully. We all have differences of opinions, but we can all do it peacefully and not get snarky (myself included).

We have a group of people here who are here for one reason only: To trash Disney. Why are they here? I have no idea.

 

[Joel]

I’m sure some of your reprehensible posts have been deleted.

Surprisingly, only some of mine have!

 

[Joel]

If the MCU was just fine as it was, raking in billions from stories with universal appeal, why did they ignore all the supporting data you think exists, deviate from the formula, and squander IP at the cost of billions?

I don't know, Skrull infiltration? I couldn't possibly know the answer to that.

They had their work cut out for them post-Endgame no matter what. And making more stuff that appeals to niche audiences is a great idea... for cheaper content on streaming. I just think it's well past time to abandon whatever their current strategy actually is for movies that need to make however many hundreds of millions just to recoup their budgets.

Looking forward to X-Men '97 and Deadpool 3 (as I suspect many in the "legacy audience" are) while they try to figure it out.

 

[_caleb]

I think one of the problems with Disney trying to sell tickets nowadays is because people know if they wait a month they can see these movies for free on Disney Plus they wait. They've created a monster also their marketed terribly. I didn't know if this new movie was going to be just on Disney plus or in the theaters.
Plus I think people are just getting bored and tired of the franchises. Too many shows, too many movies not enough time to invest in all of it so some of us just kinda quit.

Disney knew that streaming would cut into box office returns. This is a big part of why they built Disney+.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

Disney knew that streaming would cut into box office returns. This is a big part of why they built Disney+.

No doubt. I just don't know if they knew just how MUCH it would. The pandemic threw a whole monkey wrench in things. Films lhad never premiered on both small and big screen like that or shown up so quickly on streaming. I can't speak for any other consumer but myself, and I am just saying for me, I feel the MCU and Star Wars have gotten oversaturated. Certain series do well, usually the ones that don't rely on knowing all the universe lore or they just have really good story telling. I loved Andor and think it was some of the best of the Star Wars stories. But, it has good actors, and a strong well thought out plot, with a conflicted deep character at the center. Too many of the series are based around one dimensional heros. We want to see what makes them tick..what drives them. Anyway it's just overload of characters and shows IMO.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

The film, based on their targeted demographics, should have flipped to a predominantly female audience and dramatically overperformed in the minority demos.

Did Ant-man 3 dramatically overperform with white people? They had three straight white leads and a black villain, so what happened?

While they achieved their apparent goal of ensuring males and “fanboys” that drove $1B worldwide grosses had no interest in seeing it,

So geeky comic fan boys have no interest in seeing women in tight fitting suits? Is everyone gay now? Or are these boys so intimidated by those women? Doesn’t anyone know how to raise boys to not be threatened by a strong female?

It’s the same dynamic we see over and over again. Nobody wants to see these films.

Let’s be sure to tell the millions you think they are “nobody.”

It’s not nobody, it’s just not as many as went
to see a bunch of middle aged mostly white guys bro-ing out with tech toys.

 

[TP2000]

He spots it the same way that most of them do, by being told by other people who also haven't seen it that it contains things that either aren't even there or are minor but get blown way out of proportion.

Do you think this is why The Marvels with a production budget of $275 Million and a lavish marketing budget from the world's most successful entertainment company bombed at the box office not just in America, but across the entire Free World?

Do you think hundreds of millions of people from Sydney to St. Louis to Stockholm were simply told by "others" to dislike the movie and thus they didn't go see it based only on what other people online told them to do?

That seems unlikely, if not statistically impossible.

 

[TP2000]

The idea that Ms Marvel is “forced” is completely incorrect, but you’ve never seen any media featuring the character and have said some truly nasty things about the actress.

I said she wasn't very attractive to the average 16 year old boy. I stand by that. She may be adorkable and a talented actress with a bright 50 year long acting career ahead of her, but she's not exactly the hot girl that the 16 year old boys swoon over and put posters up of her on their bedroom walls. She's not the girl you'd see draped over a red Ferrari in a teenage boys bedroom.

And teenage boys who have posters on their walls of hot girls draped over a Ferrari make up a big chunk of the Marvel movie demographics. So maybe, just maybe, market to what the audience wants instead of what the HR Department wants?

I get it, the desires and instinctive interests of a male aged 14 to 24 are not approved by HR. But they do sell movie tickets.

It’s good content in which the diversity isn’t forced or cringey. And yet it doesn’t seem to be what posters here want, for some reason.

It also is clearly not what the global box office audience wants either. The Marvels is going down as the biggest flop in Marvel box office history. Why is that do you think? The box office data is solid and reliable. The Marvels bombed. Why?

 

[LittleBuford]

Do you think this is why The Marvels with a production budget of $275 Million and a lavish marketing budget from the world's most successful entertainment company bombed at the box office not just in America, but across the entire Free World?

Do you think hundreds of millions of people from Sydney to St. Louis to Stockholm were simply told by "others" to dislike the movie and thus they didn't go based only on what other people online told them?

That seems unlikely, if not statistically impossible.

I don't think that's what @Dranth is suggesting anyway.

If I understood your earlier posts correctly, you would have us believe that hundreds of millions of people are put off by the fact that one of the main characters is of Pakistani heritage [ETA: and not pretty enough]. That to me seems a terrible indictment of the world's cinema-going population.

 

[TP2000]

If I understood your earlier posts correctly, you would have us believe that hundreds of millions of people are put off by the fact that one of the main characters is of Pakistani heritage [ETA: and not pretty enough]. That to me seems a terrible indictment of the world's cinema-going population.

You have clearly not been reading my posts accurately. Or you are so entrenched in the idea that anyone who doesn't agree with you is "bad" and "racist" and "all the ists" that you can't understand my point.

No one in 2023 would care that Ms. Marvel isn't a WASP girl. But that she's Pakistani and Muslim and an immigrant (what was so bad about her own country that her parents left?) and that's somehow more important than her morals or personal virtues is fairly off-putting to many of us who care more about the content of ones character than the color of ones skin.

What most people dislike instinctively is the idea that her immutable characteristics that she has no control over are somehow more important than her own talents she has honed with hard work and skill she leveraged to make the world a better place. People, at least most Americans with our inherent USA! culture, naturally admire a character who leverages their own God given talents to make themselves better and make the world a better place. That's always fabulous!

But to lean in so heavily on her ethnicity comes off as creepy and weird to many folks, myself included. No one cares what country your grandparents came from to get to America, the greatest nation on earth made up entirely of immigrants. What we care about is what you did once you got here and how you made the world a better place with hard work and leveraging your innate talents.

 

[DKampy]

Do you think this is why The Marvels with a production budget of $275 Million and a lavish marketing budget from the world's most successful entertainment company bombed at the box office not just in America, but across the entire Free World?

Do you think hundreds of millions of people from Sydney to St. Louis to Stockholm were simply told by "others" to dislike the movie and thus they didn't go based only on what other people online told them?

That seems unlikely, if not statistically impossible.

That has nothing to do with anything he was referring to… you said you can spot the “forced box checking initiatives” if you watched the show you would know there was nothing forced about Ms. Marvel. She is one of the best aspects of the current phase of Marvel…no one who watched the movie said she was the issue…in fact most of even The Marvels harshest critics said she was a highlight…the only people who complain about her never watched the show… I wonder why that is…

 

[TP2000]

That has nothing to do with anything he was referring to… you said you can spot the “forced box checking initiatives” if you watched the show you would know there was nothing forced about Ms. Marvel. She is one of the best aspects of the current phase of Marvel…

Why do you think Ms. Marvel had the lowest Nielsen ratings of any Marvel show on Disney+?

Why do you think Ms. Marvel didn't prevent The Marvels from being the biggest Marvel box office bomb on record?

If Ms. Marvel is so beloved and highly rated as you say, why didn't the free market of global consumers respond to that?

 

[TP2000]

Maybe if the Disney Hate Club left the site and went off and formed a Six Flags Club or a Dollywood Club or something, but no. They insist on hanging out here and trolling.

And yet the global box office would still be accurate.

 

[LittleBuford]

But that she's Pakistani and Muslim and an immigrant (what was so bad about her own country that her parents left?) and that's somehow more important than her morals or personal virtues is fairly off-putting to many of us who care more about the content of ones character than the color of ones skin.

Having watched the show (unlike you), I can categorically state that this doesn't reflect how her character is treated. At all.

I haven't seen the film, but the trailer for it barely hints at her Pakistani heritage, much less highlights it. On what possible basis, then, could people preemptively decide that her background is being made too much of?

It's clear you've formed a very definite notion of the character's ethnic and religious identity despite having literally zero firsthand knowledge of the material. I'll never understand it.

 

[DKampy]

Why do you think Ms. Marvel had the lowest Nielsen ratings of any Marvel show on Disney+?

Why do you think Ms. Marvel didn't prevent The Marvels from being the biggest Marvel box office bomb on record?

If Ms. Marvel is so beloved and highly rated as you say, why didn't the free market of global consumers respond to that?

There are several factors why The Marvels did not not work which I’m not going to get into here… my issue here is that you are placing all the blame on Ms. Marvel( at least it appears that way since you keep brining it up) and it feels icky… especially someone who has not watched any of it

 

[TP2000]

Having watched the show (unlike you), I can categorically state that this doesn't reflect how her character is treated. At all.

I haven't seen the film, but the trailer for it barely hints at her Pakistani heritage, much less highlights it. On what possible basis, then, could people preemptively decide that her background is being made too much of?

It's clear you've formed a very definite notion of the character's ethnic and religious identity despite having literally zero firsthand knowledge of the material. I'll never understand it.

Okay. So why do you think Ms. Marvel was the lowest rated Marvel show on Disney+?