Disneyland 1991 - Vol. III

[cdunlap]

We can have the EPCOT countries, but here are some Countries For WESTCOT That Aren’t In EPCOT:
Peru
Brazil
Egypt
Greece
India
New Zealand
Thailand
Russia
Jordan
Spain
The Kingdom Of Bhutan

 

[MonorailRed]

We can have the EPCOT countries, but here are some Countries For WESTCOT That Aren’t In EPCOT:
Peru
Brazil
Egypt
Greece
India
New Zealand
Thailand
Russia
Jordan
Spain

I think Australia would be a fun idea as well.

It'd be cool to have famous brand shopping represented by their continent of origin as well... For example:

• Europe
  • Channel - France
  • Louis Vuitton - France
  • Christian Dior - France
  • Prada - Italy
  • Armani - Italy
  • Dolce & Gabbana - Italy
  • Gucci - Italy
  • Zara - Spain
  • Burberry - England
  • Nestle - Switzerland
  • Lego - Denmark
• Americas
  • Micheal Kors - United States
  • Coach - United States
  • Marc Jacobs - United States
  • Ralph Lauren - United States
  • Apple - United States

Looking back at this Europe may need some country dedicated allyways for Paris and Italy

 

[cdunlap]

So, do we put the Asian Garden in WESTCOT?

 

[cdunlap]

Here are some of my ideas for WESTCOT:
Have the golden Spaceship Earth be the landmark
Put Mayan Coast in Mexico as a miniature water park
Bhutan as an area where guests can relax in a Tibetan Buddhist-inspired setting
Put the Greek myths walkthrough in a replica of 5th Century BCE Athens
An Amazon Rainforest rapids ride in Brazil
A Reptile Room in Brazil
Put the Asian Garden near Bhutan
A Machu Picchu Tom Sawyer Island/HM interactive queue hybrid attraction in Peru
An accurate Lakota village in the USA (Believe me, I know what I am doing here!)
My Egyptian Attractions, Great Pyramid and Thoth’s Temple, alongside a Sphinx that utters riddles and vague prophecies at passerby
The Mystery House in USA
A walkthrough in Petra
Fiesta, a Mexican cultural experience with a Museum of Mexican history, a folk dance stage, a mariachi stage, a fireworks viewing area, and a restaurant
Maybe count WESTCOT as the 3rd Gate AND the shopping area.

 

[cdunlap]

(Before we begin, in this universe Tibet and China are on good terms and nothing bad happens in the Middle East.)

WESTCOT is a shopping complex themed to the different regions of the world with boat rides, hotels, shops, restaurants, and walkthroughs that are themed accordingly. It is open 24/7 including days when the rest of Disneyland is not open. WESTCOT, much like the park it's based on, seeks to educate by way of direct engagement with other cultures.

THE AMERICAS:

The Americas is a celebration of the indigenous cultures, nature, and the rich, vibrant histories of North and South America.

Canada (Haida Totem Poles and Haida Art painted on Plank Houses and The Raven Tales Potlatch, a Mystery Lodge show held in a Kwakiutl “big house” exploring Pacific Northwest Native American Raven Tales from the Kwakiutl, Tlingit, Nootka, Salish, and Haida nations.)

United States (Explorable Lakota village, New England Waterfront Shopping Area, Cliff Pueblo Maze, French Quarter Shopping Street, and Ghost Ship and Mysterious Manor walkthroughs in New England Waterfront.)

Central America (FIESTA Cultural Experience, Day Of The Dead Market, Tenochtitlan guided interactive experience, Panama Canal boat ride, Costa Rica greenhouse, Casa Mexicana Hotel, Guatemala clothing shop, and Mayan Coast Water Park. Panchito meets guests in a Mission near FIESTA.)

Cuba (Cuban Nature walkthrough animal/plant exhibit and Old Havana shopping street.)

Puerto Rico (Puerto Rican folk band on a stage themed to the fort in San Juan)

Colombia (Boat ride taking guests through the Chibcha civilization ending in the lost city of Manoa/El Dorado and a Colombian coffee house)

Brazil (Amazon Rainforest trail, Reptile Room reptile exhibit, Amazon River boat ride, and Samba City walkthrough. Jose Carioca meets guests near Samba City.)

Peru (Explorable Machu Picchu replica with interactive elements and zip-line over the Nazca Lines)



EUROPE:

Europe is a celebration of the cultural differences that can be found on one continent and how they are shaped by history and geography.

Scandinavia (Swedish Winter Market, Tivoli Gardens walkthrough, Akershus Castle restaurant, Norse Mythology/Trolls walkthrough inside of a giant Ash tree, Sami village, and Iceland boat ride)

Ireland (An Irish Pub and Darby O’Gill walkthrough within an Irish castle)

UK (Victorian London shops and restaurants near a Hampton Court walkthrough with maze, and a replica of the Globe Theatre holding a dark ride based on Shakespeare’s The Tempest and a Midsummer Night’s Forest walkthrough. Wendy, Peter Pan, the Mad Hatter, Alice, The Queen Of Hearts, Winnie, Tigger, Piglet, and Merlin meet guests near Hampton Court)

France (Paris Shops and Cafes, replica Notre Dame Cathedral for weddings, Versailles Palace restaurant, and Provence fields walkthrough. Cinderella, Lady Tremaine, the Stepsisters, Toulouse, Marie, and Berlioz meet guests near Notre Dame.)

The Netherlands (Amsterdam shopping street)

Germany (Bavarian castle restaurant near a Bavarian shopping village, Rhine River Cruise boat ride. Snow White, the Prince, the 7 Dwarves, and the Wicked Queen meet guests at the castle.)

Romania (Transylvania dark ride taking guests through the castles, forts, and medieval cities of the Transylvania region with an emphasis on local history and culture located near a Romanian shopping village.)

Russia (Russian Ballet show, Red Square shopping area, St. Basil's Cathedral, and Hermitage Palace restaurant)

Italy (Venice area with Venetian Hotel, canals, shops, and restaurants with a Pompeii walkthrough and a Marco Polo walkthrough that ends in the Asian Garden. Gepetto, Pinocchio, Stromboli, Longfellow, and Gideon meet guests in the Venetian square.)

Greece (Greek Temple walkthrough and Santorini shopping village.)

Spain (Moorish/Antonio Gaudi styled shopping and dining street with a walkthrough based on the Alhambra and a Flamenco dance show that educates guests about the Cale Romani culture)


AFRICA:

Africa is a celebration of the vibrant tapestry of culture that is Africa and its history/cultures.

Morocco (Moroccan Souk, restaurant with interactive dance show, and Casbah walkthrough.)

Egypt (Temple Of Thoth, Great Pyramid, Sphinx, and Forbidden Tomb Walkthroughs and Nile River Cruise boat ride.)

Subsaharan Africa (Treehouse observation deck on a fake Baobab tree, walkthrough Zimbabwean ruins, Mozambican Butterfly Sanctuary, Malagasy Lemur Exhibit, replica of the Great Mosque Of Djenne holding a Dogon Dance Show, Ethiopian Street Market, Asante Gold Exhibit in an Asante palace, an interactive West African dance show, African Lodge Hotel, Mount Kilimanjaro replica, Maasai Village, and South African Desert Cave Walkthrough.)


THE MIDDLE EAST:

The Middle East is a celebration of the Islamic and Non-Islamic cultures of the Middle East and how they managed to survive in the desert.

Turkey (Istanbul Grand Bazaar, Hagia Sophia walkthrough, Cappadocia Cave Dwelling walkthrough, and Ottoman Palace restaurant)

Israel (Rivers Of Eden boat ride, Dead Sea Caves walkthrough based on the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, and Old Jerusalem marketplace)

Iraq (Babylon area with a Ziggurat holding an Epic Of Gilgamesh walkthrough, Babylonian Marketplace, and Hanging Gardens restaurant)

Jordan (Petra replica holding an interactive Last Crusade themed walkthrough attraction taking guests through the story of the film as if they were a main character who followed Indy the whole way. Indiana Jones meets guests near Petra.)

Saudi Arabia (Arabian Oryx exhibit, Arabian Hotel, and Souq al-Saudi marketplace.)

ASIA:

Asia is a celebration of the cultures of Asia and how they influenced each other, causing cultural similarities.

Asian Garden and Bhutan Spa Complex (Peaceful corner of park where guests can experience the Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, and Tibetan cultures in a garden setting or relax within facade only replicas of Bhutan's Punakha Dzong and Paro Taktsang with an interior filled with relaxing spaces with spa rooms and relaxing music playing. Guests can also walk a replica of The Great Wall Of China to view a map of China, with cities labeled, made entirely of flowers or view a Chinese Folk Dance Show, featuring Yang Ge, a Sichuan Opera face changer, and the Mongolian Bowl Dance, in a traditional Chinese theatre, visit a museum of Tibetan history in a replica of the Dalai Lama’s palace in Lhasa, take a Junk Ship ride down Vietnam's Ha Long Bay, or explore the creatures of Korean mythology in a Korean palace.)

Japan (Edo period shopping street where guests can buy traditional Japanese food and objects along with a viewing of a show in a Bunraku puppet theater)

Nepal (Mount Everest Museum within a replica Everest near a Himalayan shopping village)

India (Mughal Palace Restaurant with influences from Jaipur and Taj Mahal, Hindu Temple Gopuram holding Garuda and Naga walkthrough, and Indian Street Market. Baloo and King Louis meet guests at the Hindu Temple Gopuram)

Sri Lanka (Teahouse serving Sri Lankan teas)

Thailand (Floating Market selling common ingredients in Thai cuisine, Bangkok shopping street, and Asian Hotel)

Cambodia (Khmer ruins walkthrough based on Angkor Wat near a Khmer shopping village)

The Spice Islands (Wayang Kulit puppet show, Borneo Rainforest animal exhibit, Indonesia Boat Ride, and Borobudur Temple Walkthrough)

The Philippines (Restaurant where guests can try Filipino desserts built in the Colonial architectural style of The Philippines )


AUSTRALIA AND OCEANIA:

Australia and Oceania is a celebration of the rich and diverse indigenous cultures of the islands that make up Australia and Oceania.

Australia (Spirits of Uluru Walkthrough and Dreamtime walkthrough. The mice from The Rescuers meet guests near Uluru.)

New Zealand (Māori Village with shops, restaurants, and attractions, including walkthroughs and boat rides)

The Islands (French Polynesia coral reef exhibit and island boat ride, Palau jellyfish exhibit, Micronesian Ruins walkthrough, Samoan village, New Caledonia forest boat ride, Polynesian Hotel, and Papua New Guinea tribal mask museum)

THE CENTRAL ISLAND:

Spaceship Earth (Located at the center of the lake. Holds FutureQuest, a DisneyQuest/1990s Future World hybrid.)

 

[MonorailRed]

So, for an overview... Something like this guys?

 

[DisneyFan32]

So, for an overview... Something like this guys?

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Theme Parks:
Disneyland
Westcot
Disney-MGM Studios California
Disney's Cartoon World

 

[cdunlap]

My ideas for parks:
Disneyland
Westcot
Disney MGM Studios California
Disney's Mythos (Mythology/Folklore Theme)
DisneySea Water Park

 

[Outbound]

So, for an overview... Something like this guys?

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I really like this! Building on this, I'd like to offer some (admittedly ambitous) suggestions for the layout:

Move WestCOT, with SpaceStation Earth, to the very center of the resort. This centralizes the Shopping Area to make the iconic concept art a reality and converts the Shopping Area of WestCOT into the center throughfaire of the resort. This means the resort is seamless, so it can be themed as one connected environment w/o exiting to Anahiem (as well as trapping people in the shopping district muhahah)

To accommodate for space, we mentioned before downsizing the Second Gate. This Second Gate would need a lower ticket price than Disneyland Park / TBD Third Gate, but its lesser size could provide a more unique experience (a Cartoons Park, or maybe a thematic extension to the nearby WestCOT?)

Facing directly down the Castle from Main Street is SS Earth, and from there, you have direct paths to the Second Gate, Disneyland Hotel, Parking Lots, and Anahiem Convention Center. The Water Park and Third Gate are just a bit further, but still directly in sight of each other and the WestCot Center (I'd imagine the resort in Americas having an archway to enter/exit through, connecting to 3rd Gate). From these pathways, you could easily walk to anyway in the resort w/o breaking immersion.

The only hiccup is about five or so hotels on that corner lot to the 3rd Gate. They prevent this from working out perfectly. I'm not sure the logistics of potientially buying these lots, but worst case its not the end of the world - the park is still a quarter block away to the rest.

Also note potiential Toontown + Galaxy's Edge expansions, if we wanted to get really ambitous.

 

[cdunlap]

So, for an overview... Something like this guys?

View attachment 734561

Amazing!

 

[MonorailRed]

I really like this! Building on this, I'd like to offer some (admittedly ambitous) suggestions for the layout:

View attachment 734610

Move WestCOT, with SpaceStation Earth, to the very center of the resort. This centralizes the Shopping Area to make the iconic concept art a reality and converts the Shopping Area of WestCOT into the center throughfaire of the resort. This means the resort is seamless, so it can be themed as one connected environment w/o exiting to Anahiem (as well as trapping people in the shopping district muhahah)

To accommodate for space, we mentioned before downsizing the Second Gate. This Second Gate would need a lower ticket price than Disneyland Park / TBD Third Gate, but its lesser size could provide a more unique experience (a Cartoons Park, or maybe a thematic extension to the nearby WestCOT?)

Facing directly down the Castle from Main Street is SS Earth, and from there, you have direct paths to the Second Gate, Disneyland Hotel, Parking Lots, and Anahiem Convention Center. The Water Park and Third Gate are just a bit further, but still directly in sight of each other and the WestCot Center (I'd imagine the resort in Americas having an archway to enter/exit through, connecting to 3rd Gate). From these pathways, you could easily walk to anyway in the resort w/o breaking immersion.

The only hiccup is about five or so hotels on that corner lot to the 3rd Gate. They prevent this from working out perfectly. I'm not sure the logistics of potientially buying these lots, but worst case its not the end of the world - the park is still a quarter block away to the rest.

Also note potiential Toontown + Galaxy's Edge expansions, if we wanted to get really ambitous.

Love this!

I’d say switching the layout a bit, so Europe can have the larger pad. I’d also expand the hotel to entire roadway to create a “Bubble”

Of we move Europe where Asia is, and switch Park 2 and the water park pad, we could transition from Italy/Paris to a discovery land Italian themed area. The second gate would also have a bigger expansion pad in the northwest plot.

Overall, I think something like this really creates the bubble we’re looking for.

 

[DisneyManOne]

I really like this! Building on this, I'd like to offer some (admittedly ambitous) suggestions for the layout:

View attachment 734610

Move WestCOT, with SpaceStation Earth, to the very center of the resort. This centralizes the Shopping Area to make the iconic concept art a reality and converts the Shopping Area of WestCOT into the center throughfaire of the resort. This means the resort is seamless, so it can be themed as one connected environment w/o exiting to Anahiem (as well as trapping people in the shopping district muhahah)

To accommodate for space, we mentioned before downsizing the Second Gate. This Second Gate would need a lower ticket price than Disneyland Park / TBD Third Gate, but its lesser size could provide a more unique experience (a Cartoons Park, or maybe a thematic extension to the nearby WestCOT?)

Facing directly down the Castle from Main Street is SS Earth, and from there, you have direct paths to the Second Gate, Disneyland Hotel, Parking Lots, and Anahiem Convention Center. The Water Park and Third Gate are just a bit further, but still directly in sight of each other and the WestCot Center (I'd imagine the resort in Americas having an archway to enter/exit through, connecting to 3rd Gate). From these pathways, you could easily walk to anyway in the resort w/o breaking immersion.

The only hiccup is about five or so hotels on that corner lot to the 3rd Gate. They prevent this from working out perfectly. I'm not sure the logistics of potientially buying these lots, but worst case its not the end of the world - the park is still a quarter block away to the rest.

Also note potiential Toontown + Galaxy's Edge expansions, if we wanted to get really ambitous.

I still think we could do the Second Boutique Park as part of WestCOT. The original plans called for the Future World equivalents to be on the outskirts of the centralized World Showcase; and there were only going to be three: Wonders of Space, Wonders of Earth (a hybrid of The Land and The Living Seas; heck, in this timeline, we could take a page from @MANEATINGWREATH's Mirror Disneyland 2.0, add a wing to represent the sky and have it serve as the home of Soarin') and Wonders of Living (a hybrid of Wonders of Life and Journey Into Imagination).

Would it still be possible to do that?

 

[MonorailRed]

I still think we could do the Second Boutique Park as part of WestCOT. The original plans called for the Future World equivalents to be on the outskirts of the centralized World Showcase; and there were only going to be three: Wonders of Space, Wonders of Earth (a hybrid of The Land and The Living Seas; heck, in this timeline, we could take a page from @MANEATINGWREATH's Mirror Disneyland 2.0, add a wing to represent the sky and have it serve as the home of Soarin') and Wonders of Living (a hybrid of Wonders of Life and Journey Into Imagination).

Would it still be possible to do that?

This may sound a little extra… and I may be off on land plots….but what about making it a DisneyQuest like out of park experience? Maybe double, triple, 4x the size of the one we know - but we could fit a lot there. If the 2nd gate is a botique park - Future world could be like a micro park.

4 killer attractions, one space. A ton of interactive elements.

Heck, if we relocate the Shuttle Depot, you could make it basically a Tomorrowland continuation - like DisneyQuest meets Horizions.

 

[MonorailRed]

I really like this! Building on this, I'd like to offer some (admittedly ambitous) suggestions for the layout:

View attachment 734610

Move WestCOT, with SpaceStation Earth, to the very center of the resort. This centralizes the Shopping Area to make the iconic concept art a reality and converts the Shopping Area of WestCOT into the center throughfaire of the resort. This means the resort is seamless, so it can be themed as one connected environment w/o exiting to Anahiem (as well as trapping people in the shopping district muhahah)

To accommodate for space, we mentioned before downsizing the Second Gate. This Second Gate would need a lower ticket price than Disneyland Park / TBD Third Gate, but its lesser size could provide a more unique experience (a Cartoons Park, or maybe a thematic extension to the nearby WestCOT?)

Facing directly down the Castle from Main Street is SS Earth, and from there, you have direct paths to the Second Gate, Disneyland Hotel, Parking Lots, and Anahiem Convention Center. The Water Park and Third Gate are just a bit further, but still directly in sight of each other and the WestCot Center (I'd imagine the resort in Americas having an archway to enter/exit through, connecting to 3rd Gate). From these pathways, you could easily walk to anyway in the resort w/o breaking immersion.

The only hiccup is about five or so hotels on that corner lot to the 3rd Gate. They prevent this from working out perfectly. I'm not sure the logistics of potientially buying these lots, but worst case its not the end of the world - the park is still a quarter block away to the rest.

Also note potiential Toontown + Galaxy's Edge expansions, if we wanted to get really ambitous.

Love this!

I’d say switching the layout a bit, so Europe can have the larger pad. I’d also expand the hotel to entire roadway to create a “Bubble”

Of we move Europe where Asia is, and switch Park 2 and the water park pad, we could transition from Italy/Paris to a discovery land Italian themed area. The second gate would also have a bigger expansion pad in the northwest plot.

Overall, I think something like this really creates the bubble we’re looking for.

So... I'm thinking something like this

 

[DisneyFan32]

So... I'm thinking something like this

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Third Gate will be Disney-MGM Studios/Cartoon World. My bet is Disney-MGM Studios. Hollywoodland is still wildcard for Disneyland's new park land.

 

[ThemeParkPriest]

So... I'm thinking something like this

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The group’s open brainstorming is really coming together nicely! I think Walt would be happy with it, especially the integration of transportation throughout the resort. Similar to Walt Disney World, it would be a teaching exhibit for others.

 

[MonorailRed]

The group’s open brainstorming is really coming together nicely! I think Walt would be happy with it, especially the integration of transportation throughout the resort. Similar to Walt Disney World, it would be a teaching exhibit for others.

That’s what I was thinking by having the people mover, monorail, waterways and bus depot all connect with the ball.

A lot of Kenetic energy - but it really does well with the theme. It really screams “Tomorrowland on the Move”

 

[MonorailRed]

if anyone else is game for a future world pavilion that’s a separate ticket, DisneyQuest style. It’d be cool to work on a fusion exterior architecture of the spire concept for WestCot, and the old Horizons Pavilion.

But… I don’t even know if we’re going in that direction yet

 

[cdunlap]

if anyone else is game for a future world pavilion that’s a separate ticket, DisneyQuest style. It’d be cool to work on a fusion exterior architecture of the spire concept for WestCot, and the old Horizons Pavilion.

But… I don’t even know if we’re going in that direction yet

Of course we can, I'd be happy to integrate lots of old Epcot!

 

[WaltWiz1901]

Since browsing these forums, I've always wanted to participate in an Imagineering challenge, but somehow never plucked up the courage. Time to fix that with this project...

I gotta say, what I'm seeing suggested thus far is pretty good!