Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

[MrPromey]

It was never personal…I phrase things wrong…not personal

Wait…the exception is denial of fact. That is within one’s control. This is an opinion discussion so that doesn’t apply. Dre preferred the ILL…some detest them…I’m in the middle. There are some advantages but a danger if it continues

Never needed to be a middle school fight.

 

[Chi84]

Has this discussion really been that rough?

Maybe that's her default status.

 

[dreday3]

Maybe that's her default status.

I'm living for the day when I'm a glamorous, older woman who lounges around in kaftans and jewelry all day and is always just a little bit buzzed.

The dream helps me through my work day.

 

[Chi84]

I'm living for the day when I'm a glamorous, older woman who lounges around in kaftans and jewelry all day and is always just a little bit buzzed.

The dream helps me through my work day.

That’s me! Except for the glamorous part. And the kaftans and jewelry.

 

[Chi84]

I think his point was, when you go 2-3 times a decade, splurging like that to get on the individual rides you really want to not miss since you do only go 2-3 times a decade doesn't feel nearly as bad - just like splurging on everything else while there.

Those are the easy spenders Disney covets.

I've been there myself with visiting DL so no judgement from me but the dynamic changes when you're a more frequent visitor. It's a little harder to ignore or justify the tally when it's a part of your annual (or more frequent) spending.

That doesn't make you bad or wrong but it's one kind of visit where you can justify it with the sunk costs of the semi-rare trip vs. people Disney has roped in with the illusion of property ownership and a commitment that lasts about 5x as long as most marriages - a whole other kind of sunk cost that I think have many questing the vows they made to the mouse in better times.

The one-trip visitor is buying it to have a better trip without realizing the effect on the frequent visitor, who is forced into buying it to have a better trip. All Disney sees is the money.

This isn’t a guest behavior problem; it’s a greedy, shortsighted management problem that won’t end until people stop visiting. Not stop buying the upsells but just stop visiting.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Are you thinking pay per ride? Wouldn't that end up being way more expensive?

Yes, pay per ride but just a handful - like maybe 3-4 at MK and 1-2 at the other parks. Everything else is standby only

If you paid for every single one it could get expensive but I think a lot of people would be able to identify the one that is very important to them and pay for that one.

So maybe $10-$30 depending on the ride but you get to pick which ones and what time to use them.

 

[GhostHost1000]

The one-trip visitor is buying it to have a better trip without realizing the effect on the frequent visitor, who is forced into buying it to have a better trip. All Disney sees is the money.

This isn’t a guest behavior problem; it’s a greedy, shortsighted management problem that won’t end until people stop visiting. Not stop buying the upsells but just stop visiting.

Disney has created a system (probably by mistake surpassingly) where they can now control guest behaviors by increasing wait times so more people pay to skip lines. It’s amazing how bad this has become

 

[Disstevefan1]

Disney has created a system (probably by mistake surpassingly) where they can now control guest behaviors by increasing wait times so more people pay to skip lines. It’s amazing how bad this has become

How many think it was by mistake? I do not.

If Disney thought they made a mistake, they would just correct it.

 

[HauntedPirate]

How many think it was by mistake? I do not.

If Disney thought they made a mistake, they would just correct it.

It was/is a deliberate attempt to control guest behavior, while also taking money out of their wallets for something with perceived "value" due to (alleged) capacity manipulation.

 

[lentesta]

Is it impossible to be more accurate? How do your predictions compare from an accuracy basis relative to Disney?

Here are examples from DHS today. We had 4 people in the park, all testing different variations of our one-day adult touring plan.

• We already recommend purchasing ILL for ROTR because it has so much downtime, so we didn't test it in the plans today.
  
  
• Rock 'n' Roller Coaster did not open with the rest of the park. One of our people had that as their first attraction, so they were no longer at the front of the line for their first attraction. Because everyone else was, that ruined this test for this person for today.
  
  
• Millennium Falcon had a rough day:
  • Posted 30 minute wait at 9:15 AM. Actual wait was 51, or +70%
  • Posted 40 minute wait at 9:29 AM. Actual wait was 83, or +108%
  • Posted 100 minute wait at 12:58 PM. Actual wait was 87, so -13%
  • Posted 75 minute wait at 1:20 PM. Actual wait was 85, or +13%
    
• Red Carpet Dreams went offline around 11:10 AM for vomit. It was down long enough to affect the plans of 2 other testers.
  • Posted 25 minute wait at 9:38 AM. Actual was 12.
  • Posted 20 minute wait at 9:50 AM. Actual was 11.
  • Posted 30 minute wait at 1:50 PM. Actual wait was 4.

So for these two attractions, your actual wait varied from 13% to 208% of the posted wait, depending on when you arrived.

 

[Jumping Fountains]

Going “offline…for vomit”

 

[SamusAranX]

What does red carpet dreams refer too?

 

[DCBaker]

What does red carpet dreams refer too?

Mickey and Minnie meet and greet.

 

[dreday3]

They said the sunset today, at least here, is supposed to look AMAZING! I'm going to pour a glass of wine and stare at the sky later....

Real quick. The sky should be a brilliant blue, but it's pinkish orange.

Haunting, other worldly... A strange world perhaps?

 

[Disstevefan1]

A much needed derailment of this thread

 

[dreday3]

A much needed derailment of this thread

At least I'm good for something!

 

[Ayla]

That’s me! Except for the glamorous part. And the kaftans and jewelry.

Same. Though I think I'm younger than both of you.

 

[RSoxNo1]

FWIW, the new Genie+ API now includes a date parameter. So the next set of changes look like they'll include the ability to buy (and I'm guessing make) advance G+ reservations.

Are you suggesting that you will be able to pre-pay for Genie+ or that you'll be able to make advanced selections like Fastpass+ (or both)? If the "advanced booking" thing that was stated before was just about pre-paying for Genie+ but still keeping with same day bookings I'd view that as a positive.

 

[RSoxNo1]

• Red Carpet Dreams went offline around 11:10 AM for vomit.

That problem hurt Minnie's feelings.

 

[Chi84]

Are you suggesting that you will be able to pre-pay for Genie+ or that you'll be able to make advanced selections like Fastpass+ (or both)? If the "advanced booking" thing that was stated before was just about pre-paying for Genie+ but still keeping with same day bookings I'd view that as a positive.

I’d view that as irrelevant.