Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
Unless they add a bunch of capacity tomorrow this is what we have. Genie+ doesn't work as intended due to too many guests using it. How do you solve that? Cause pricing people out isn't an option.
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Disney Genie and Genie+ at Walt Disney World
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nickys
Premium Member
This is not intended as any defence of G+ but you can ride almost every ride with less than a 2 hr wait. You could even stand in line for Slinky or Rise and get on.
If you booked Slinky and got a 2pm return time, and arrive at park opening then you can choose any ride and go and wait in standby. genie+ isn’t going to change the fact that you’re going to have to wait for something during the day. And if you’re going to do Rise you either wait or pay. So choose Rise or Falcon, ToT or RnR, TSM, Runaway Train, Star Tours. And at 11am you see what’s showing.
Chi84
Premium Member
If that's the case, we'll probably move on. It's been a great run with WDW but things change and there's no use stressing about it.
I'm an optimist so I'll probably stick around a little longer to see if things change enough to make it fun for us again. But there's no way we'll pay that much for a vacation and come back dissatisfied.
Jenny72
Well-Known Member
What if you got a certain number of attractions and then that was it. Like, you'd book two or three attractions for the day, but you could never add more. That way there would at least be less burden on the system and there would be somewhat less pressure to game it to get as many attractions as possible. And you wouldn't have to sit on your phone all day. In fact, you could feasibly manage without a phone if you were able to make the reservations the day before.
Of course I understand that people would still want the E-ticket rides (which not everyone can have) and that would be stressful. Maybe you could do tiers where you only get one headliner ride. I'm just trying to think outside of the tired "they need to limit sales" idea here. Instead of limiting the number of people who get to ride whatever they want all day, where everyone else is a loser, you limit the number of things that everyone can ride all day. A different way to manage the lack of capacity, horizontal rather than vertical as it were.
I'm also leaving out the issue of cost. I'd prefer it be free to maintain the character of Disney as a friendly and different park, and also to cut down on complaints when people can't get whatever specific ride they want. But presumably there could be a (fairly low) charge.
Of course I understand that people would still want the E-ticket rides (which not everyone can have) and that would be stressful. Maybe you could do tiers where you only get one headliner ride. I'm just trying to think outside of the tired "they need to limit sales" idea here. Instead of limiting the number of people who get to ride whatever they want all day, where everyone else is a loser, you limit the number of things that everyone can ride all day. A different way to manage the lack of capacity, horizontal rather than vertical as it were.
I'm also leaving out the issue of cost. I'd prefer it be free to maintain the character of Disney as a friendly and different park, and also to cut down on complaints when people can't get whatever specific ride they want. But presumably there could be a (fairly low) charge.
LittleBuford
Well-Known Member
It seems that FP+ already did this to some extent, since many people seem to have been unaware that you could get additional FastPasses after your original daily preselections, while many others knew you could but didn’t bother doing so.
mikejs78
Premium Member
Early FastPass+ was like this - 3 and done. Resulted in massive complaints, so they changed it to allow 4 and beyond.
matt9112
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LittleBuford
Well-Known Member
How often you go seems not to matter to the people in question. Some of them visit quite regularly yet still think it’s OK to berate those of us who they deem are misspending our Disney dollars.I haven’t been since 2019 I can tell you there the devil.
LittleBuford
Well-Known Member
I didn’t know this!
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
Quick band-aid fixes for G+:
Raise price to $25-$30
Can purchase when making a hotel reservation or park reservation
30 day advance booking of 1 attraction per day (can be for all or for resort guests only)
Remove ILL and include those in G+ LL selections (I know this will never happen but the more attractions to select from the better the system will become)
Virtual queue existing ILL attractions for morning of bookings
Ability to select and modify times
Raise price to $25-$30
Can purchase when making a hotel reservation or park reservation
30 day advance booking of 1 attraction per day (can be for all or for resort guests only)
Remove ILL and include those in G+ LL selections (I know this will never happen but the more attractions to select from the better the system will become)
Virtual queue existing ILL attractions for morning of bookings
Ability to select and modify times
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Advance bookings aren’t a solution if you can’t deliver on them and have to cancel.
This doesn’t address all of the still missing capacity in the parks that limits how many people you can have in a virtual queue system.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Studios was tiered and you weren’t getting more than 1 anyway.
So if you want to go on that horrible Star Wars ride…then you sacrifice 3 others that would be booked anyway.
So you then spend the next 5 hours going on the junk with a “fastpass” and staring at your phone looking for someone to cancel RNRC by chance?
The net “gain/loss” between the two systems is HIGHLY overstated
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You “raise” it to $30 and it just becomes more of a “standard” buy…which collapses again Because of capacity. And around we go
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Past 3 was functionally useless…it was scraps or refreshing your phone constantly on long shot cancellations. Worked some on less crowded days…but it was less crowded so DUH.
This is what I mean by “backup quarterback”
Always the most popular guy on the team
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Ahhh…the victim routine hasn’t shown up for…dare I say?…days?!?!
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I’m not trying to discourage you. But I just saw it, know the operational limitations and the pressure for profit…
It’s not gonna be abandoned or changed to a Significant level.
They just don’t have the raw number capacity anymore…and they will not actively shrink their crowds - bluster and misdirection aside. It’s numbers and everyone’s hero Bob let it fail.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
1. My purchases affect yours
2. Your purchases affect mine
3. If either of us are dumb about it…we both can be taken advantage of.
You know where I learned this?
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LittleBuford
Well-Known Member
I don't feel victimised, merely amused.Ahhh…the victim routine hasn’t shown up for…dare I say?…days?!?!
Jrb1979
Well-Known Member
Basically the guests just have to accept it. They aren't adding enough capacity anytime soon to fix it and they refuse to limit availability. Basically they don't care.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You seem to often feel “persecuting” a lot based on what you want to spend. Don’t feel bad…you’re far from alone.
The logical disconnect there is believing you are an “individual” in a place where all the pricing is done for bulk/masse. It’s “Borganomics”
You’re only an “individual” to your bank/credit card company.
No foul.