News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

[TrainsOfDisney]

Outside of AK which they can't change much as it has animals, the other 3 parks are one and the same. Full of whatever IP they can market. They have really lost touch on what made Disney Disney.

Agreed. The fact they could build an entire land and make no changes and plop it down in Disneyland Park and Hollywood Studios is a bit telling.

In any case I like Tron better than some trees and a berm so it’s a win in my book.

I’m not sure if I do. That was the best place to watch the steam trains work up the one small grade at the park. Was a nice
charming area. The addition has just been plopped down with little thought.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

Agreed. The fact they could build an entire land and make no changes and plop it down in Disneyland Park and Hollywood Studios is a bit telling.


I’m not sure if I do. That was the best place to watch the steam trains work up the one small grade at the park. Was a nice
charming area. The addition has just been plopped down with little thought.
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There’s many other great places and you’ll still be able to use that area, just to a lesser extent. The monorail station is actually another beautiful spot. TSI is my favorite. Nothing like watching the steam trains, steamboat, and BTMRR while on a rocking chair!

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

There’s many other great places and you’ll still be able to use that area, just to a lesser extent. The monorail station is actually another beautiful spot. TSI is my favorite. Nothing like watching the steam trains, steamboat, and BTMRR while on a rocking chair!

I do enjoy those rocking chairs! But the Tomorrowland pathway is really the only place where you get to hear the engines work at all. It also helps that they have often just taken on water and / or been serviced and will often open up the cylinders when departing Fantasyland (or maybe they were just doing that for me?

You are right that the path is still there, but it certainly won’t be the same.

 

[UNCgolf]

Perhaps GotG isn’t hard to get on because they actually built a ride with a great capacity?

Guardians has good capacity, but it's not like it has even remotely enough for everyone who visits the park to ride in a day.

It has enough for the people who want to ride it, which is my entire point -- it has a smaller rider base.

 

[Captain Barbossa]

I’m not sure if I do. That was the best place to watch the steam trains work up the one small grade at the park. Was a nice
charming area. The addition has just been plopped down with little thought.

do enjoy those rocking chairs! But the Tomorrowland pathway is really the only place where you get to hear the engines work at all. It also helps that they have often just taken on water and / or been serviced and will often open up the cylinders when departing Fantasyland (or maybe they were just doing that for me?

You are right that the path is still there, but it certainly won’t be the same.

Not to mention that that was the best place to catch the engineers showing off their whistling skills while approaching Tomorrowland Crossing.

 

[curry767]

I think the general consensus is that is isn't necessarily adding much needed capacity to the worlds busiest theme park. MK desperately needs a people eater to relieve the crowding a bit and TRON doesn't fit that description. It's also a VERY short ride, again not helping with capacity issues.

Would you have preferred they did nothing instead?

If they were to build the sort of ride you are talking about, then all they would do is allow more people into the park and it would do nothing to elivate the over crowding you refer to.

I don’t get what all the negativity is about - a new ride that didn’t exist before within a really impressive space - looks really fun and a great add

Unfortunately that could be applied to a lot of this forum these days. Not sure if it is COVID blues or what but certainly a lot more negativity on here these days.

 

[larryz]

Unfortunately that could be applied to a lot of this forum these days. Not sure if it is COVID blues or what but certainly a lot more negativity on here these days.

Unfortunately, there's been a lot more Disney and WDW issues to be negative about these days.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Would you have preferred they did nothing instead?

I probably would have. I definitely would have preferred a new electrical parade and the announced Main Street theatre as well as an attraction replacement for stitch.

Maybe they could have done a Mandolorian attraction in there with baby yoda!?

 

[UNCgolf]

Would you have preferred they did nothing instead?

If they were to build the sort of ride you are talking about, then all they would do is allow more people into the park and it would do nothing to elivate the over crowding you refer to.

This doesn't happen. New attractions don't increase attendance enough to offset the capacity increase (barring building an attraction with abysmally low capacity) because the parks already stay packed almost year-round now. Even Galaxy's Edge didn't do that.

 

[peter11435]

This doesn't happen. New attractions don't increase attendance enough to offset the capacity increase (barring building an attraction with abysmally low capacity) because the parks already stay packed almost year-round now. Even Galaxy's Edge didn't do that.

It’s a bit more complicated than that. Induced demand is very real thing and does have implications at WDW parks.

 

[drizgirl]

This doesn't happen. New attractions don't increase attendance enough to offset the capacity increase (barring building an attraction with abysmally low capacity) because the parks already stay packed almost year-round now. Even Galaxy's Edge didn't do that.

Plus the initial spike eventually settles down. Which is why Disney hesitates to add more. They prefer to play shell games with line skip schemes to distract from the root problem.

 

[optjay]

Would you have preferred they did nothing instead?

YES!!!
This is a terrible addition, in a terrible location.

 

[mlayton144]

YES!!!
This is a terrible addition, in a terrible location.

Just silly , I can get onboard with a different type of attraction , but to add something new, aesthetically pleasing , and impressive to a virtually empty space is nothing to complain about. This thing is gonna be a hit for a long time

 

[lazyboy97o]

Just silly , I can get onboard with a different type of attraction , but to add something new, aesthetically pleasing , and impressive to a virtually empty space is nothing to complain about. This thing is gonna be a hit for a long time

Theme parks are a designed experience. Just dropping in warehouses should not be “great” because of under investment intended to push crowding.

 

[mlayton144]

Theme parks are a designed experience. Just dropping in warehouses should not be “great” because of under investment intended to push crowding.

Do you even goto Disney ? What other USA theme parks do you attend and how do you think they compare ?

 

[UNCgolf]

It’s a bit more complicated than that. Induced demand is very real thing and does have implications at WDW parks.

If you're suggesting it has an effect on operations in other ways, then sure, I have no trouble believing that (shifting guests to a different park, changing park hopping patterns, etc.). But when people suggest that opening a new ride means there will suddenly be 20,000 more people in the park every day, that's just not true.

It may have been true at some point in the past, but Disney attendance is high throughout the year now -- and there haven't been any openings in the past decade that moved the attendance needle enough to outweigh the capacity addition.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

If you're suggesting it has an effect on operations in other ways, then sure, I have no trouble believing that (shifting guests to a different park, changing park hopping patterns, etc.). But when people suggest that opening a new ride means there will suddenly be 20,000 more people in the park every day, that's just not true.

It may have been true at some point in the past, but Disney attendance is high throughout the year now -- and there haven't been any openings in the past decade that moved the attendance needle enough to outweigh the capacity addition.

Especially in the current VQ era. Sure back in the day people would rush to the park and get in line and clog up everything. But now, it's basically business as usual with 10-15k people scheduled to ride throughout the day.

And FWIW, attendance right now is actually pretty low comparatively. Guardians just opened and crowds are actually pretty pleasant at EPCOT (despite Guardians being utilized to 100% capacity everyday).

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

Theme parks are a designed experience. Just dropping in warehouses should not be “great” because of under investment intended to push crowding.

Works well for Six Flags...

 

[UNCgolf]

Guardians just opened and crowds are actually pretty pleasant at EPCOT (despite Guardians being utilized to 100% capacity everyday).

I think this is partially due to what I've pointed out elsewhere-- Guardians just doesn't attract as many potential riders as other attractions due to its nature (this will also be true for TRON). WDW draws more guests that aren't interested in coasters than other parks, so there's a smaller percentage of guests who care about Guardians than even about a nominally lesser ride like Ratatouille.

There doesn't seem to be any excess of guests who are going to EPCOT specifically to ride Guardians but can't get on -- everyone who really wants to ride doesn't have any trouble getting on.

 

[peter11435]

If you're suggesting it has an effect on operations in other ways, then sure, I have no trouble believing that (shifting guests to a different park, changing park hopping patterns, etc.). But when people suggest that opening a new ride means there will suddenly be 20,000 more people in the park every day, that's just not true.

It may have been true at some point in the past, but Disney attendance is high throughout the year now -- and there haven't been any openings in the past decade that moved the attendance needle enough to outweigh the capacity addition.

I don’t know anywhere where people have suggested numbers as high as 20k (Or even the 15k you had before editing). The most recent addition that truly moved the needle was Pandora which saw DAK entertaining roughly 8k+ additional guests per day. And while you are correct that the attractions of Pandora can more than accommodate those 8k guests it doesn’t exactly work that way. The rest of the parks attractions and infrastructure needs to be able to support those guests as well. And Pandora (and the resort of the park) is not only servicing that additional 8k but also the existing attendance base pre Pandora. Just because guests now have the ability to ride flight of passage doesn’t mean they suddenly don’t want to ride Kilimanjaro Safaris.