Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[G00fyDad]

I am

If your child DOES have any of the symptoms above:​

• Keep them home from school
• Get your child tested for COVID-19.

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I get what you're saying. I really do but how many times have you seen parents sending their children to school when they are incredibly sick? It happens every day and unless that child is throwing up or in pain the school is not likely to send them home. I have even heard a parent or two say that it is no big deal after sending their kids to school with something contagious. It is every school's policy to keep children home if they are sick but living in the real world we know that will not happen. Children will contract COVID and the parents will send them to school anyway.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Yes, no, maybe.

If you existed in a frictionless vacuum and all we knew was before no headache and now headache, it would be a solid "maybe".

You need a bunch of additional information beyond just "headache" to tip the scale to Yes or No.

Very true. For example, I have a headache, but it's from banging my head against the wall for 22 months.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I get what you're saying. I really do but how many times have you seen parents sending their children to school when they are incredibly sick? It happens every day and unless that child is throwing up or in pain the school is not likely to send them home. I have even heard a parent or two say that it is no big deal after sending their kids to school with something contagious. It is every school's policy to keep children home if they are sick but living in the real world we know that will not happen. Children will contract COVID and the parents will send them to school anyway.

There's a word for parents like that. Actually, there are several words for parents like that, but they're all blocked by the forum's censors.

 

[Andrew C]

What was the goal for vaccinations in the USA by the way? Is it 80%?

If it is, that’s not enough.

 

[DisneyCane]

Let me just call all of my airline C-level executive contacts and get back to you. Hold please. . .

I will post on an airline forum and ask and see if anybody knows. I'd be willing to bet that at the airlines that don't have a mandate we will find that zero or very close to zero vaccinated employees have either died of or been hospitalized for COVID since United implemented their mandate.

 

[correcaminos]

I get what you're saying. I really do but how many times have you seen parents sending their children to school when they are incredibly sick? It happens every day and unless that child is throwing up or in pain the school is not likely to send them home. I have even heard a parent or two say that it is no big deal after sending their kids to school with something contagious. It is every school's policy to keep children home if they are sick but living in the real world we know that will not happen. Children will contract COVID and the parents will send them to school anyway.

I know it does happen. It stinks when it does for everyone. Though my school does send sick kids home for more than you said. My kid was totally well in 5th grade when I sent him in. He had developed a small fever and went to the nurse. Anything 100 or over is also sent home. We had a different coronavirus that year that hit and when about 15% of the class was out and 2 developed pneumonia the teacher was strict about removing sick kids. I know kids are sent to school sick. Some will slip under the radar - especially older kids can hide. But doesn't mean it is right to do either.

 

[Andrew C]

I get what you're saying. I really do but how many times have you seen parents sending their children to school when they are incredibly sick? It happens every day and unless that child is throwing up or in pain the school is not likely to send them home. I have even heard a parent or two say that it is no big deal after sending their kids to school with something contagious. It is every school's policy to keep children home if they are sick but living in the real world we know that will not happen. Children will contract COVID and the parents will send them to school anyway.

This isn’t what we are talking about in this case though. But I’m done with it. Said my piece. It’s fine.

 

[DisneyCane]

I am

If your child DOES have any of the symptoms above:​

• Keep them home from school
• Get your child tested for COVID-19.

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This historical page is not up to date. Find the latest on COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

Except that my nephew's school did not give the option for him to return if he tests negative.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Yes, no, maybe.

If you existed in a frictionless vacuum and all we knew was before no headache and now headache, it would be a solid "maybe".

You need a bunch of additional information beyond just "headache" to tip the scale to Yes or No.

The only tests I’ve taken were when my employer told me I had to take one.

I’ve been to the emergency room and multiple doctors with covid sysmptons (not the primary reason for my visit) and not once have they wanted to test me.

I’m not taking a test every time I get a headache or a runny nose, that’s silly.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I will post on an airline forum and ask and see if anybody knows. I'd be willing to bet that at the airlines that don't have a mandate we will find that zero or very close to zero vaccinated employees have either died of or been hospitalized for COVID since United implemented their mandate.

There's one obvious flaw with your question and that is that you're solely limiting it to airlines as if airline employees exist in their own special universe separate from everyone else. What is the difference between an airline mandating vaccinations vs. a supermarket or restaurant mandating vaccinations? All of those industries deal with the public and we already know that there are cases of vaccinated people being hospitalized, so that right there shoots your argument down. Airline employees aren't special in that way - and your question completely ignores the fact that many airline employees are in customer-facing roles.

 

[sullyinMT]

I don't have an issue with him getting sent home due to the illness. I have an issue with them saying he can't come back for a week because it "could be a symptom of COVID." They didn't say he could come back if he tested negative. I don't know if they will test him or not as he didn't have any other symptom that is typical of COVID and if he can't go back to school anyway they might not think it is worth it.

My implication was specifically about the report from @sullyinMT about 25%-50% empty classrooms. Based on the cases per 100k per week, there can't possibly be that many kids simultaneously out with COVID. That would imply that the entire population was infected in less than 4 weeks.

The places with 2-3% out make perfect sense and I'm not implying those are inflated.

I already said the boy could be exaggerating. I also don’t find it hard to believe that 8 kids out of 25 could be sick in a given classroom right now. Even if we’re in a lower spreadstate. It’s not like it’s a glowing ember - COVID is a fire everywhere right now. The truth is easily somewhere in between.

And testing isn’t required, but symptoms will send you home for the day at minimum. They aren’t contact tracing and isolating, so this is parents or administrators choosing to hold kids out.

I’m sorry if your nephew’s school won’t allow testing to return. I don’t fault them for sending him home for the day, and another 24 hours post symptoms. Plenty more things to spread still around. But a negative test to return would seem reasonable.

 

[correcaminos]

The only tests I’ve taken were when my employer told me I had to take one.

I’ve been to the emergency room and multiple doctors with covid sysmptons (not the primary reason for my visit) and not once have they wanted to test me.

I’m not taking a test every time I get a headache or a runny nose, that’s silly.

It's silly if you are prone to allergies, sinus issues or headaches. It's not otherwise tbh. At least covid tests now are not as painful as the ones in the beginning. Covid tests are pretty much the norm with admissions now at least here. Even if going in for a scheduled procedure they're done.

 

[mmascari]

They aren't proving it is the right thing to do to force your employees to save their own lives. I'd be willing to bet that in the same time period the airlines that don't have a vaccine mandate also had zero deaths and zero hospitalizations among their vaccinated employees (or very close due to others having more employees).
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There could be a justification for the mandate if it prevented infections so that their operations weren't affected. However, 3.4% of the workforce currently can't work so the "right thing to do" isn't really helping their operation.

You need to be more cynical. The public statement on Deaths is a feel good move, but there's more. Remember the only impacts aren't "Death" and "Not Death". Beyond just significantly reducing hospitalization and death, the vaccine reduces impacts in general. All those people we keep talking about that didn't even know they positive and happened to test that way.

Now, take that 3.5% of the workforce currently out, for what 5 days now? Presumably, because they're all vaccinated, that's a pretty strong guess that they'll be out 5 days, maybe 7 if some of them had symptoms for a few days. For any unvaccinated person, who is more likely to end up in that impacted group, they're likely to be out more than that. At least 10-14 days and longer for a bunch.

So, change the press release to an investor type message:
Vaccination policy reduces employee sick time, reducing operations costs and impacts.

They don't have to care if it saves even 1 life. It can be a purely economic and cost savings decision. That's not nearly as feel good of a communication though.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

If it is, that’s not enough.

Well.. what number is enough?

as if airline employees exist in their own special universe separate from everyone else.

They do in a way. The training they go through requires them to be healthier and in better shape physically and mentally than your average employee at a supermarket.

 

[MisterPenguin]

So I should get tested anytime I have a headache?

Gee, I should get tested, then, every time I read this thread!!

 

[mmascari]

I really do but how many times have you seen parents sending their children to school when they are incredibly sick? It happens every day and unless that child is throwing up or in pain the school is not likely to send them home. I have even heard a parent or two say that it is no big deal after sending their kids to school with something contagious. It is every school's policy to keep children home if they are sick but living in the real world we know that will not happen. Children will contract COVID and the parents will send them to school anyway.

Schools have conflicting policies is an issue. A few years ago, maybe 5 or 6, we had a kid that caught a GI bug, then a few months later had the flu. Might have been the last year of the nasal flu vaccine that wasn't very effective. We got calls from the school about missing to much time. My ID doctor wife was livid with them. Would they prefer we sent a child with flu to school instead?

 

[MisterPenguin]

What was the goal for vaccinations in the USA by the way? Is it 80%?

The goal was to vaccinate everyone who wasn't medically unable to get vaccinated.

Certain percentages thrown around fell under two situations:

1. For health care officials, they definitely wanted enough people to be vaccinated to halt community spread. But with a novel virus, it was unknown what that percentage was and a bunch of numbers (educated guesses) were thrown out: 60%, 70%, 80%. But, of course, that was for the original variant. A much more contagious variant like Omicron would have a much higher goal to stop community spread. This also presumed governments were capable of effective contact tracing once we hit the goal so as not to reignite the spread.

2. For the government, it was a logistics problem to try to hit the goal that health care officials were saying should be the target to stop community spread. How fast can the shots be produced and distributed? Biden gave several interim goals as production was ramping up. Then it was (I think) 75% (of those over 18) by the beginning of July. As far as being able to distribute enough vaccine to make that happen, it was a success. But, then we hit the roadblock of the vaccine hesitant, and it was about two months later we hit that goal.

But, again, the real goal was to vaccinate everyone who could be vaccinated. The lower percentages were interim steps on the way to that goal.

 

[Andrew C]

Well.. what number is enough?

Above 90% worldwide? The reason I’m saying that is there are several counties with vaccinations rates around 90%. But it wasn’t good enough to prevent omicron because it’s so transmissible and the worldwide vaccine rate, even if just considering western countries, isn’t close to that.

 

[JoeCamel]

They do in a way. The training they go through requires them to be healthier and in better shape physically and mentally than your average employee at a supermarket.

What? You are saying airline employees are in better health than the GP?
Take a stroll past any ticket counter to see the infirm, overweight employees pulling in $30 ph part time to deal with the GP.
I know over 20 in real life and about 3/4 are obese with several severe health issues in the remaining normal weight section.,
Maybe I misunderstood your comment that they are required to be in better shape

 

[DisneyCane]

There's one obvious flaw with your question and that is that you're solely limiting it to airlines as if airline employees exist in their own special universe separate from everyone else. What is the difference between an airline mandating vaccinations vs. a supermarket or restaurant mandating vaccinations? All of those industries deal with the public and we already know that there are cases of vaccinated people being hospitalized, so that right there shoots your argument down. Airline employees aren't special in that way - and your question completely ignores the fact that many airline employees are in customer-facing roles.

Because the CEO of United Airlines is implying that his policy is saving the lives of vaccinated employees. To test this, United Airlines needs to be compared to other Airlines because they will have similar demographics for vaccinated employees.

My hypothesis is that having unvaccinated employees does not put the vaccinated employees at any higher risk of death or hospitalization. My hypothesis can be turned into a theory if there are statistics which show that the vaccinated employees of airlines which have a much higher percentage of unvaccinated employees have substantially similar outcomes with respect to death and hospitalization.