Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[correcaminos]

These people sound like people who really care about others. Let’s just hope Big Pharma doesn’t come out against them in the name of money.

It doesn't sound like big pharma can destroy the good of this.

 

[Nubs70]

Ok... so you don’t think broadway shows should be running?

They can run if they want. I won't be going.

 

[DisneyCane]

Are you kidding that he knowingly had Covid in April 2020, and did not get the vaccine in December 2020 as a doctor and do you mean to say he kept practicing and in contact with people until April 2021 when he got the shot? He as a doctor should have taken steps to get vaccinated as early as December 2020 to protect himself and others he came in contact with. I don't buy the doctor excuse to defer not getting vaccinated when the vaccine was available to health care staff beginning late last year.

People keep yelling on here that posters should act like they know more than doctors. Are you more qualified than him to evaluate the data and studies and make that decision?

I guess we shouldn't act like we know more than doctors unless the doctor disagrees with our opinion.

 

[Lilofan]

People keep yelling on here that posters should act like they know more than doctors. Are you more qualified than him to evaluate the data and studies and make that decision?

I guess we shouldn't act like we know more than doctors unless the doctor disagrees with our opinion.

Medical staff are at high risk of getting and spreading Covid. That is not rocket science to figure out. They are responsible for protecting themselves and others.

 

[Andrew C]

I guess we shouldn't act like we know more than doctors unless the doctor disagrees with our opinion.

That’s typically how it works in life. And doesn’t just apply to medical professionals.

 

[lazyboy97o]

People keep yelling on here that posters should act like they know more than doctors. Are you more qualified than him to evaluate the data and studies and make that decision?

I guess we shouldn't act like we know more than doctors unless the doctor disagrees with our opinion.

Pot meet kettle.

 

[Andrew C]

Omicron surge: Oregon health authorities issue interim triage tool on how to prioritize care

Oregon health officials have provided the state's hospitals with an interim crisis care tool to help prioritize treatment if they reach a point when critical care beds, specialized equipment and other resources become scarce due to COVID-19 admissions.

www.foxnews.com

 

[carolina_yankee]

I don't envy the position any governor is in: Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
As a NJ resident, who voted for Murphy's opponents both times - I actually like Murphy's efforts on this.
He was very prudent and cautious when things first broke out - actually went too far for me then, closing parks and other outdoor areas - but, at the time who really knew what we were dealing with and how bad things would get?
So, though I didn't like all of what he did... I understood.
Since then, and since things have remained manageable - he has loosened restrictions and keeps an eye on things.
If things get out of control, he'll put those things that are on the table into action.
If not, he'll carry on as we are.

The metric seems to be hospitalizations. As long as the hospitals can function, no new restrictions. Personally, I wish he would have restored the indoor mask mandate and reduced indoor dining capacity but the reality is the horses are long gone. All we can do right now is ride it out.

However, even though hospitals are getting full and some procedures are being canceled or care is being diverted, ventilator use is still not at last year's peak and far below 2020's peak so he's being consistent with the metric.

The reality is that for the vast majority, if you are vaccinated, you will not need hospitalization. That (knock wood) has been 100% true in my congregation. But it is also 100% true in my congregation that every covid case since early December has been in the vaccinated.

Vaccines are preventing the need for lockdowns, which actually makes them the anti-vaxxer's friend (no new restrictions), ironically.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Agreed, there is no reason to close things. People also have to stay home when sick. The other problem is people have quickly decided the no longer like their personal space.

The one positive thing to come out of Covid was social distancing, figures it was also the first thing to disappear.

I understand why 6 ft had to go but I’ll never understand the people who insist on standing a couple inches away from strangers in a Disney queue, leave a foot or two people, I can’t go any further with 1000 people in front of me so there’s no reason to crowd me.

 

[carolina_yankee]

Medical staff are at high risk of getting and spreading Covid. That is not rocket science to figure out. They are responsible for protecting themselves and others.

If he had antibodies, did he need the vaccine? Remember, proof of recent covid or vaccination is needed for many situations, so we are treating them as equal for functioning purposes. He was able to monitor has antibody levels. I'm not convinced he was irresponsible. And he did get vaccinated - right about the same time vaccines became available for most adults, so there was only 3-4 month gap.

 

[hopemax]

That reminds me, Colorado has instituted crisis standards as well. Not because of the hospital situation, but because of the EMS situation. Too many people out sick. Only the most serious cases will be transported. Guidance for stopping resuscitation. The only previous time these have been implemented was April 2020.

 

[LittleBuford]

Covid appears to have run through nearly every family in my congregation at this point (all vaccinated). Generally mild symptoms. No evidence of at-church spread so masking works.

With respect, unless everyone in your congregation is wearing an N95 or up-to-standard KN95, it's very likely that in-church spread is happening. That doesn't mean you're wrong to congregate, but I think it's important to be realistic about the likelihood of transmission in such a context as an hour-long service (potentially with singing) in an enclosed building.

 

[John park hopper]

Daughter in laws fever broke last night seems to be doing better. She said she felt the same way when she got the second shot short term fever and body aches. My wife spoke to our GP doc is great young guy who actually talks to his patients--- Scheduled a covid test for me on Friday so I can go forward with surgery on the 25th. Doc told my wife in the last week here in Charleston SC area they have seen a dramatic rise in the omicron variant

 

[AEfx]

The one positive thing to come out of Covid was social distancing, figures it was also the first thing to disappear.

I understand why 6 ft had to go but I’ll never understand the people who insist on standing a couple inches away from strangers in a Disney queue, leave a foot or two people, I can’t go any further with 1000 people in front of me so there’s no reason to crowd me.

I'll tell ya, that's one thing that has shocked the hell out of me - the amount of people that apparently LIKE being smooshed up against strangers in public. I always thought it was just something we collectively put up with.

I'm on a movie forum where people were talking about how "good" it felt to be in the lobby/etc. to go see Spiderman with people all shoulder to shoulder. I'm not even talking about "crowded theater having a communal experience" - like, seriously, talking about how lovely it was to be packed in lines for concessions, bathrooms, etc. I just...don't...get it. (Oh, and BTW, several people who said so on the same forum came down with COVID a week later.)

 

[correcaminos]

The one positive thing to come out of Covid was social distancing, figures it was also the first thing to disappear.

I understand why 6 ft had to go but I’ll never understand the people who insist on standing a couple inches away from strangers in a Disney queue, leave a foot or two people, I can’t go any further with 1000 people in front of me so there’s no reason to crowd me.

I personally wish it would have stayed. I feel better apart from people no matter what than with just masks. And I am not saying masks don't help either.

Daughter in laws fever broke last night seems to be doing better. She said she felt the same way when she got the second shot short term fever and body aches. My wife spoke to our GP doc is great young guy who actually talks to his patients--- Scheduled a covid test for me on Friday so I can go forward with surgery on the 25th. Doc told my wife in the last week here in Charleston SC area they have seen a dramatic rise in the omicron variant

Fingers crossed for you that you stay negative for the surgery. Glad the fever broke too for your DIL.

 

[mmascari]

I'm not even talking about "crowded theater having a communal experience" - like, seriously, talking about how lovely it was to be packed in lines for concessions, bathrooms, etc. I just...don't...get it. (Oh, and BTW, several people who said so on the same forum came down with COVID a week later.)

That’s not completely surprising. I doubt it was the literal crush of people, but that it felt like a pre-COVID experience. A relief feeling that there was no longer a pandemic occurring. To be back in the before times.

That several caught COVID then is a statement that we’re not back in before times and the pandemic is still going on.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I'll tell ya, that's one thing that has shocked the hell out of me - the amount of people that apparently LIKE being smooshed up against strangers in public. I always thought it was just something we collectively put up with.

I'm on a movie forum where people were talking about how "good" it felt to be in the lobby/etc. to go see Spiderman with people all shoulder to shoulder. I'm not even talking about "crowded theater having a communal experience" - like, seriously, talking about how lovely it was to be packed in lines for concessions, bathrooms, etc. I just...don't...get it. (Oh, and BTW, several people who said so on the same forum came down with COVID a week later.)

I understand it as a feeling of “normal” though. When I was in New York City, it felt very empty both on the streets and in transit.

 

[mmascari]

What restrictions does NJ have?

Having recently been at a turnpike and parkway rest area, no restrictions seems to be the answer. You could practically see the COVID transmission. Trips of the first were planned better to avoid stops.

 

[LittleBuford]

That’s not completely surprising. I doubt it was the literal crush of people, but that it felt like a pre-COVID experience. A relief feeling that there was no longer a pandemic occurring. To be back in the before times.

That several caught COVID then is a statement that we’re not back in before times and the pandemic is still going on.

I for one am really looking forward to being in a crowded WDW again once the pandemic is behind us, precisely for the reasons you indicate.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I’ve been reading a lot about the immune system in regards to how long immunity lasts and it’s very complex also. Active antibodies (the waning ones that worry us) prevent illness by overpowering it. It’s like a battle, if they outnumber the Virus they win, if the Virus outnumber them they lose and we get sick.

I’ve read reports that hypothesize that repeated exposure can keep levels elevated but that hasn’t been proven. I’ve also read about a thing called cell exhaustion that prevents us from making them indefinitely even if we’re constantly exposed.

The side that will ultimately offer long term protection are memory T-cells and memory B-cells, these are cells that survived the battle and change from active cells that fight the virus to dormant cells that remember how to fight the virus. They generally last until we die. Because they are dormant they don’t fight off new virus as they enter the body, they just remember how to fight them, so they don’t prevent you from getting sick, they just allow your immune system to quickly ramp up the specific cells needed to fight the virus after your sick.

The focus is currently on vaccines and boosters to maintain high active antibodies because that’s what prevents illness (because the virus is everywhere) but once the pandemic is controlled and we aren’t being exposed constantly we won’t need to maintain high active cell counts and can rely on our memory cells for the occasional exposure to it. (Or a yearly shot like the flu shot that increases active cells for a specific amount of time when we expect a lot of exposure to a virus again).

Just a waiting game now. We need to maintain active cells until the virus dies down, then we won’t need to worry about how many shots we’ll need or how frequent, it’ll likely be a yearly booster at most.

Sort of, but not quite. The memory T and B cells that remain are sort of like a pool of reservists that were never called up. Once the cell matures and actually starts fighting the specific antigen for which it was selected, it has a limited life span.

That pool of reservists that remains is what goes dormant. But even this pool diminishes slowly over time (for those who took chemistry, it declines predictably via 1st order kinetics). It never goes to completely zero, but it might diminish far enough that the remaining numbers are inadequate to respond to an infection. This is why we receive boosters for most vaccinations.

It's not really a matter of "memory", these are single cells that have no nervous system. However, a variable portion of their genetic code just so happens to produce the correct antibody that is needed to fight a specific infection. This is the reason that their stem cell "ancestor" was selected and allowed to form a clone army of itself. When that same infection arrives again, a portion of these memory cells get "called up to active duty", where they then differentiate into their mature forms.

As a side-bar, I've been reading about why certain vaccines and infections seem to stimulate much longer protection than others, apart from the issue of their targets mutating. It's complicated, but according to the most likely theory, it depends on the number leukocyte of stem cells stimulated by the initial infection and/or vaccination. Even though the cells are selected through random chance, certain configurations in the target (the infection or vaccine) are more likely to generate a more robust response. For whatever reason, the specific antigens on the measles virus (or vaccine) just happen to stimulate a much larger number of matching stem cells than conditions like pertussis or COVID. Also, children have a much larger population of immune stem cells than adults. This is part of the reason why it makes sense to start most vaccine series in children. It also suggests that when we finally have COVID vaccines for young children, barring further antigenic drift of the virus through mutation, they may need boosters less frequently than adults.