Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[JoeCamel]

A good portion of people with Omicron shouldn't be going to the ER at all.
That's a big part of the problem right there.
They've got a mild upper respiratory infection, in many case merely tested positive - and off they are to hospital.

So they should wait and see if they progress to death's door?

 

[danlb_2000]

True but I shouldn't have to take something four times in less than a year for it to work . I am beginning to think we should have maybe waited until it was fully effective. 'I honestly don't know what the right answer is but I am exhausted from all the division and turmoil this has caused.

Then I sincerely hope you never get a chronic illness, because you may have to take something every day or even multiple times every day.

 

[mmascari]

People like to label me as a "hoaxer" or a "COVID denier" or whatever but the reality is that I have a very different perspective than they do over what constitutes the "best" way to react to this virus.

You've been very consistent. Not a "hoaxer" or "anti-vax" in the general sense. Not a "COVID denier" either.

In response to the bolded, the division and turmoil over COVID is due to drastically different options on the definition of what is best. Some look at it completely from the perspective of whatever minimizes the number of COVID infections and deaths is what is "best." Some (like yours truly) consider the negative effect on the people's lives who won't ever have serious consequences (severe illness or death) from COVID (85%-90%+ of the population under a worst case scenario of every single person gets infected). People coming from my perspective don't think it is "best" to drastically alter life as we knew it in order to minimize the medical impact of COVID.

Being fine with millions of deaths, at a rate of 400,000+ a year. Along with completely ignoring the group aspect of how a vaccine works.

Those are the two differences.

You're clearly not denying that COVID exists, that vaccines work, or that some people will have severe illness or death. You're just fine with a much larger raw number of those impacts because it's a small percentage of the entire population. That definitely makes for a different definition of "best".

 

[dreday3]

So they should wait and see if they progress to death's door?

Make a telehealth visit with a doctor. Go to a minute clinic.

Do not clog up EDs with mild to no symptoms and a positive test result.

This happens almost every winter (worse now). People use the ED as walk-in clinics for common cold symptoms. They aren't. And trust from experience, it makes the waits for those with actual emergencies very, very long.

 

[GimpYancIent]

I understand the mitigations hospitals take to prevent cross contamination of medical personnel by patients, but people coming in off the street to ER's to be assessed and diagnosed for treatment what mitigations are there to minimize or prevent cross contamination between the prospective patients? A person may be ill or injured enough (not with COVID) to go to the ER and end up contracting COVID due to exposure to others that do. A bad to worse scenario.

 

[danlb_2000]

Regarding Omicron and hospitalizations, I don't think that "decoupled" is the right word to use as that would suggest that there is no direct relationship between infections and hospitalizations. I think the correct description is that the hospitalization rate is significantly lower for the Omicron variant waves. I don't know if this is due to the variant itself or a combination of the variant with vaccinations and protection from prior infections.

There are some lab studies that indicate that Omicron is inherently less severe then other variants, so the lower hospitalization rate is likely a combination of that and protection from the vaccines and previous infection.

 

[marymarypoppins]

Most pediatric vaccine series require 2-5 doses, and even TDaP needs boosting throughout life. The adult pneumovax and shingles vaccines are multi-dose too. So, this isn't surprising.

Plus, we still don't have great treatments for many cancers. If you were diagnosed now, would you hold out for better treatments years down the line or take "good enough" now?

People are dying and overwhelming hospitals NOW. We need to do what we can NOW with the tools we have NOW.

Then I sincerely hope you never get a chronic illness, because you may have to take something every day or even multiple times every day.

I was talking in terms of vaccines not medicines/treatments. The two are very different unless the one isn't an actual vaccine but a treatment or therapeutic so to speak. If that is the case call it what it is and get the masses on board with receiving it. I just want honest messaging and transparency. Neither of which we are getting . Two sides of the same coin.

 

[DisneyCane]

So they should wait and see if they progress to death's door?

In their current condition, the ER is just going to send them home. If somebody has mild/moderate symptoms and is concerned they might have COVID they should do a telehealth visit and get advice on what they should do. Somebody should only go to the ER as the first resort if they are having serious symptoms like shortness of breath. If you've felt worse in your life from other illnesses, you shouldn't even be thinking about going the ER yet that is what is happening right now. Large numbers of people are descending on the ER for the symptoms of a common cold.

 

[correcaminos]

Varicella is two-dose.

As a kid. I'll be real that doctors really don't realistically trust it will be good for life. Much like measles and mumps some are concerned about longevity. Not to say vaccines don't work but I may get a third dose of chicken pox. No one knows entirely what to do.

Waning immunity and potential asymptomatic infection in 3-7 years old children who received one dose of measles-mumps-rubella vaccine: A 4-year prospective study - PubMed

Kindergarten and primary school children who only received one dose of MMR were at higher risk of developing mumps. Waning immunity, seronegative conversion, and asymptomatic infection coexist in children who received one dose MMR. Determining the optimal age for administering the second dose of...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Incomudro]

So they should wait and see if they progress to death's door?

Yes.

 

[Lilofan]

Yes.

Mindset may be different if affected is a loved one but then again maybe not.

 

[marymarypoppins]

Yes.

Isn't that what ER's are designed for?

 

[Incomudro]

Make a telehealth visit with a doctor. Go to a minute clinic.

Do not clog up EDs with mild to no symptoms and a positive test result.

This happens almost every winter (worse now). People use the ED as walk-in clinics for common cold symptoms. They aren't. And trust from experience, it makes the waits for those with actual emergencies very, very long.

People overuse ambulances in a similar manner.
They call them for routine things that they could otherwise call a cab or Uber for (if they don't own a car, or otherwise can't drive), thus removing an ambulance that could otherwise be utilized by a person suffering a genuine emergency.

 

[mkt]

As a kid. I'll be real that doctors really don't realistically trust it will be good for life. Much like measles and mumps some are concerned about longevity. Not to say vaccines don't work but I may get a third dose of chicken pox. No one knows entirely what to do.

Waning immunity and potential asymptomatic infection in 3-7 years old children who received one dose of measles-mumps-rubella vaccine: A 4-year prospective study - PubMed

Kindergarten and primary school children who only received one dose of MMR were at higher risk of developing mumps. Waning immunity, seronegative conversion, and asymptomatic infection coexist in children who received one dose MMR. Determining the optimal age for administering the second dose of...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Yep. I never got them as a kid, so I had to get the vaccine as an adult.

 

[LittleBuford]

I was talking in terms of vaccines not medicines/treatments. The two are very different unless the one isn't an actual vaccine but a treatment or therapeutic so to speak. If that is the case call it what it is and get the masses on board with receiving it. I just want honest messaging and transparency. Neither of which are getting . Two sides of the same coin.

In what way is the messaging on the vaccines dishonest? No-one is denying that breakthrough infections are possible or even, with Omicron, probable; on the contrary, this has been acknowledged for months now. To call the vaccines “treatments” would be inaccurate, because they can’t be used to treat a person who is currently infected.

 

[maui2k7]

In Omicron Hot Spots, Hospitals Fill Up, but I.C.U.s May Not

 

[correcaminos]

Yep. I never got them as a kid, so I had to get the vaccine as an adult.

I had various ones as a kid. I did have my last dose of MMR twice and my dtap again early as paper records were missing. No big deal to me. Neither is getting a 3rd dose for chicken pox if that is what they decide on.

 

[Ayla]

I haven't lost any taste/smell. but the thought of eating meat sounds disgusting to me! I've been subsisting on toast so far.

I hope you're feeling better soon, Kevin.

 

[mkt]

I had various ones as a kid. I did have my last dose of MMR twice and my dtap again early as paper records were missing. No big deal to me. Neither is getting a 3rd dose for chicken pox if that is what they decide on.

My previous job had me working with children as part of a cause marketing campaign. Unfortunately, the area I was assigned to had loads of antivaxx parents. So right before the pandemic, I was getting all of my inoculations up-to date.

Varicella was the one I didn't get around to then, as the pandemic was in full swing when this was scheduled. So I did it last fall when I had some downtime.

 

[Hakunamatata]

The Orlando Health facility that I have been frequenting for PT to treat a pinched nerve has an ER in the same building. The last two weeks I have not observed large crowds or anything out of what was going on at the infancy of Omicron. Maybe my lying eyes deceiveth me and they are doing an excellent job of keeping the waiting room and parking lot clear. That being said there are likely locations that are struggling with overcrowding due to Omicron induced health needs.