Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Incomudro]

I’m not sure what news you’re following, but no responsible mainstream outlet is telling us we’re all going to die. The prevailing wisdom for the past few weeks has been that Omicron appears to be less severe but is so transmissible that hospital beds will start filling again anyway. And that indeed is what’s happening.

When Omicron debuted, the news outlets were all excited about it because it was the next big thing.
The fear that we are all going to die is a ratings bonanza for the media.
But like a movie that bombs at the box office, Omicron is a ratings failure.
Now they'll have to hope that the next variant will deliver.

* I should say "box office failure."
It certainly delivered the ratings.

 

[DisneyFan32]

When the Omicron wave will go down trending in NJ soon? January, February or March? I guess by March as more testing, vaccine mandates, masking up and less cases as possible. The pandemic is so close to ending by mid March.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

When the Omicron wave will go down trending in NJ soon? January, February or March? I guess by March as more testing, vaccine mandates, masking up and less cases as possible. The pandemic is so close to ending by mid March.

Sorry but the pandemic won't end in March. 2022 , probably swing into an endemic disease but probably not until the second half of the year.

 

[correcaminos]

No, I didn't have any trouble getting that vaccine at the time.
But the Doctor in charge of the practice that gave me that shot was a friend of my wife (my wife is an RN and they worked at the same hospital) and my mother in law was working in his office at the time, so that may have influenced things.

Thanks. Was totally curious. I get why my doc (who didn't treat kids and just happened to be a heart specialist but still my PCP) didn't have it. Was just baffled why clinics were going go refuse me even though I had a prescription written out - all who declined said it was because I was an adult and they didn't give it to adults. Here's to vaccines keeping us safer!

 

[mmascari]

I think by saying this you are discounting a lot of what is being reported. Of course not all cases will be mild, some people will have more serious cases but not be hospitalized and some may have long-term effects.

But the majority of cases - for those who are vaccinated or vaccinated/boosted - the reports are that they are having mild cases. Mild as in mild. I say this from watching the dreaded news, reading articles and personal experiences. This wave is producing the largest amount of positive cases in my friends/family group than any of the previous waves - and they are all mild. As in gone in a few days and they could have worked if allowed or no symptoms at all.

I still can't understand why realizing that is a bad thing on this thread. You can be both positive about a development but still act in a prudent manner at the same time.

Realizing it is fine. Using it as an excuse that no care needs to be taken at all, that it’s just fine for everyone to catch Omicron since it’s “mostly” fine is the problem. Cranking that size way up and the raw number of impacts at even a very small percent is still quite large. And for the unfortunate in that number, it’s quite a dramatic life impact.

 

[Incomudro]

Thanks. Was totally curious. I get why my doc (who didn't treat kids and just happened to be a heart specialist but still my PCP) didn't have it. Was just baffled why clinics were going go refuse me even though I had a prescription written out - all who declined said it was because I was an adult and they didn't give it to adults. Here's to vaccines keeping us safer!

Surprised to hear a resistance to giving the shot to adults at the time.
From what I knew, that was most of the point of that vaccine.
To protect adults because an adult who got chickenpox would suffer far worse than a younger person.

 

[dreday3]

Realizing it is fine. Using it as an excuse that no care needs to be taken at all, that it’s just fine for everyone to catch Omicron since it’s “mostly” fine is the problem. Cranking that size way up and the raw number of impacts at even a very small percent is still quite large. And for the unfortunate in that number, it’s quite a dramatic life impact.

My last sentence said - You can be both positive about a development but still act in a prudent manner at the same time.

I don't see that saying no care needs to be taken at all. Your (and other's) posts sometimes discourage those of us who've always been proponents of masking, vaccines, taking care of others - from ever posting anything remotely positive. It's always, always refuted or a "yes, but..."

There needs to be positive information about being vaccinated spread about. We need that just as much as being told to be cautious. Because that's the way out.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I think by saying this you are discounting a lot of what is being reported. Of course not all cases will be mild, some people will have more serious cases but not be hospitalized and some may have long-term effects.

But the majority of cases - for those who are vaccinated or vaccinated/boosted - the reports are that they are having mild cases. Mild as in mild. I say this from watching the dreaded news, reading articles and personal experiences. This wave is producing the largest amount of positive cases in my friends/family group than any of the previous waves - and they are all mild. As in gone in a few days and they could have worked if allowed or no symptoms at all.

I still can't understand why realizing that is a bad thing on this thread. You can be both positive about a development but still act in a prudent manner at the same time.

I think the issue is that too many people (the COVID deniers, in particular) have now decided that the virus is "just a cold" for everyone and ignore the "if vaxxed and boosted" part. They then turn around and spread that misinformation on social media and use it to justify their refusal to take any precautions that might protect those around them when out in public. They also ignore the fact that "fewer hospitalizations/deaths per 100,000 cases" only equals fewer hospitalizations/deaths IF the cases stay below a certain point. Hospitalizations are up 233% in NJ over the past month while cases are up 600%. While it's good that hospitalizations haven't risen at the same rate as cases, that's still more than 3X the number of people hospitalized in just a month, which is obviously not good. But certain people ONLY want to see the "milder" part of the reporting and willfully ignore the rest until they actually convince themselves that only the "milder" part is true and anything else is just irrational panicking.

Edit: I forgot to share the link for the NJ numbers I cited. https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021...-reports-48-covid-deaths-11889-new-cases.html

 

[lazyboy97o]

I think by saying this you are discounting a lot of what is being reported. Of course not all cases will be mild, some people will have more serious cases but not be hospitalized and some may have long-term effects.

But the majority of cases - for those who are vaccinated or vaccinated/boosted - the reports are that they are having mild cases. Mild as in mild. I say this from watching the dreaded news, reading articles and personal experiences. This wave is producing the largest amount of positive cases in my friends/family group than any of the previous waves - and they are all mild. As in gone in a few days and they could have worked if allowed or no symptoms at all.

I still can't understand why realizing that is a bad thing on this thread. You can be both positive about a development but still act in a prudent manner at the same time.

From the beginning, the definition of a mild case has been “not requiring hospitalization.” Yes, that is a very wide range of experiences but hospitalization is the point of demarcation that has some level of consistency.

 

[mmascari]

Locally, spread is large enough that we apparently have some knock on issues.

From our fire and rescue services today:

As a result, the department is experiencing a 9 percent reduction in staff that will require some adjustments to meet service demands.

In an effort to continue providing high-quality emergency services to the community, has taken the following steps:

• Added recently graduated firefighters, all who came with firefighter and EMT experience, to full shifts, which will augment daily staffing.
• Reassigned firefighters and paramedics currently in training to their community service responsibilities.
• Created an EMS “disposition officer” (EMS700) to ensure load balancing at the local emergency departments
• Requested volunteer partners to staff additional peak time transport units, adding additional transport capacity to the system.
• Prioritized Advanced Life Support care delivery and firefighting water delivery across the County.
• Temporarily redeployed staff from one ladder truck and one heavy rescue unit.

These services were selected due to a lower number of calls for service compared to the rest of the County. The unit adjustments will take place daily as staffing is evaluated and will remain in-service if staffing permits.

They left off, try not to slip and fall, set your house on fire, get in a car accident, or have a heart attack. They did slip in triaging response as they run out of ability to respond.

We don’t have a county employee vaccination mandate, they thought to many would leave. Looks like to many are out anyway.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

I think the issue is that too many people (the COVID deniers, in particular) have now decided that the virus is "just a cold" for everyone and ignore the "if vaxxed and boosted" part. They then turn around and spread that misinformation on social media and use it to justify their refusal to take any precautions that might protect those around them when out in public. They also ignore the fact that "fewer hospitalizations/deaths per 100,000 cases" only equals fewer hospitalizations/deaths IF the cases stay below a certain point. Hospitalizations are up 233% in NJ over the past month while cases are up 600%. While it's good that hospitalizations haven't risen at the same rate as cases, that's still more than 3X the number of people hospitalized in just a month, which is obviously not good. But certain people ONLY want to see the "milder" part of the reporting and willfully ignore the rest until they actually convince themselves that only the "milder" part is true and anything else is just irrational panicking.

Plus the fact that even though less people are requiring hospitalisation , every COVID case no matter how mild in hospital takes away a beds which might be needed for a non COVID emergency.

 

[DisneyFan32]

Sorry but the pandemic won't end in March. 2022 , probably swing into an endemic disease but probably not until the second half of the year.

Summer 2022 probably that pandemic will ending?

 

[DisneyFan32]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12/28/cdc-isolation-guidelines-rationale/?utm_source=instagram&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main&crl8_id=080d4dd5-d223-4755-963a-1c7704359d3f

 

[correcaminos]

Surprised to hear a resistance to giving the shot to adults at the time.
From what I knew, that was most of the point of that vaccine.
To protect adults because an adult who got chickenpox would suffer far worse than a younger person.

Yeah it was weird. Like I said I get why my doc didn't stock it but he just wrote a prescription and suggested doing a walk in clinic since they always tend to carry childhood vaccines. Made sense. It took quite a few calls to find one. Super weird. Granted the shot was approved in 1995 and this was (if I have it right in my head based on life events) 1998 so hadn't been a popular vaccine to give. The reason why I pushed so hard was because at my brother's wedding one of his friends (that I had known for years too) had shared how awful it was (he would've been early-mid 20s at that time as well) he was the third young adult I had heard of recently that was hospitalized with it. That was enough for me.

Like pretty much all vaccines I don't get why anyone would have issues with giving the shot(s) to someone who obviously wanted it. I'm grateful for the vaccine really.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

Summer 2022 probably that pandemic will ending?

No one knows for sure. Just my best uneducated guess. But even if it shifts to endemic I don't think the world will go back to the way it was ( if we have any sense )

 

[hopemax]

I still can't understand why realizing that is a bad thing on this thread. You can be both positive about a development but still act in a prudent manner at the same time.

The second part is part of the reason why people won't lead with the first part. "Prudent manner"... isn't what happens. Instead, someone grabs the microphone and starts talking about everyone intentionally exposing themselves like chicken pox parties. No one wants to give that voice ammunition, because of the bad takes throughout the pandemic. If you can figure out how to prevent that stuff from happening, I think you'd see more people open to talking about the first part.

 

[dreday3]

The second part is part of the reason why people won't lead with the first part. "Prudent manner"... isn't what happens. Instead, someone grabs the microphone and starts talking about everyone intentionally exposing themselves like chicken pox parties. No one wants to give that voice ammunition, because of the bad takes throughout the pandemic. If you can figure out how to prevent that stuff from happening, I think you'd see more people open to talking about the first part.

So then only extremists on both sides should have conversations at each other and everyone else who can think rationally should just shut up? (Because we should be able to discuss both positive and negative developments on this thread.)

Got it. Because that's what it seems like. And that's perfectly fine, I can keep my thoughts to myself. Sort of, I'll tell someone else.

 

[Incomudro]

Yeah it was weird. Like I said I get why my doc didn't stock it but he just wrote a prescription and suggested doing a walk in clinic since they always tend to carry childhood vaccines. Made sense. It took quite a few calls to find one. Super weird. Granted the shot was approved in 1995 and this was (if I have it right in my head based on life events) 1998 so hadn't been a popular vaccine to give. The reason why I pushed so hard was because at my brother's wedding one of his friends (that I had known for years too) had shared how awful it was (he would've been early-mid 20s at that time as well) he was the third young adult I had heard of recently that was hospitalized with it. That was enough for me.

Like pretty much all vaccines I don't get why anyone would have issues with giving the shot(s) to someone who obviously wanted it. I'm grateful for the vaccine really.

I'm trying to remember where I was in life at the time I got the shot...
Putting it together, my wife may have been pregnant - or our son's just born - they were born in 2002.
The vaccine was relatively new, and having kids made me realize my potential vulnerability to chickenpox through them.

 

[Nubs70]

When the Omicron wave will go down trending in NJ soon? January, February or March? I guess by March as more testing, vaccine mandates, masking up and less cases as possible. The pandemic is so close to ending by mid March.

Since the CDC revised its omicron estimates yesterday, Omicron is not the percentage they thought it was, so we are still on the upswing.

Looking at the point of origin being SA and current trends in the UK, it will go up very quickly with huge case counts but without the correlated upswing in fatalities. Omicron should run its course by February.

 

[DisneyCane]

For anyone who still thinks there's no impact on the rest of us when we pretend the pandemic is over. A NJ Walmart location is temporarily closed because over 90 employees have tested positive. Yeah, it's "just" a Walmart and it's just 1 store, but there are people in that town (and most towns in the country) who can't afford to shop at more expensive stores, including for their groceries. It's also an example of what can happen when any workplace has an outbreak, so don't think it can't happen somewhere else like food processing plants or warehouses that store essential items. Whether it's Omicron or Delta running through that store doesn't matter at this point because the number of cases has forced them to close regardless of the severity of the illnesses (and with 90+ cases, it's likely they aren't all mild).

NJ Walmart Temporarily Closes After Employee COVID Outbreak, Worker Says

A New Jersey Walmart turned away customers Tuesday evening and will remain closed to the public on Wednesday after dozens of employees tested positive for COVID-19, a worker at the store said.

www.nbcnewyork.com

90 employees didn't "catch" COVID. They tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. It doesn't say how many were completely asymptomatic. We should follow South Africa's lead and stop testing asymptomatic people for no reason. Test and trace doesn't work at all with this virus and especially not the Omicron variant so all we are doing is keeping people out of work when there could be just as many asymptomatic positive employees at Target across the street (I don't know if there actually is one) but who aren't tested due to not coming up as part of contact tracing.

Sorry about the run on sentence!