Cmdr_Crimson
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Just incase anyone is curious...Magical Soundtracks released the Creations music loop..
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EPCOT Creations Shop opening this summer
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91JLovesDisney
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Just needledrop, sad.
Cmdr_Crimson
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You never heard the Mousegears loop then I take it..It was the same thing but mostly Disney songs..
ToTBellHop
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I’m joking, of course. They gave a gift shop its own music loop. Worse things have happened. It’s the type of music I could zone out to while folding laundry.
ToTBellHop
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Honestly, it jives well with the entrance music and the nearby Test Track loop. I wonder if that means this music loop will change with the entrance loop in 2023.
The current Epcot vibe is kinda IKEA but with flushing toilets.
trainplane3
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Agreed. It's excellent background music and I really don't mind it for being a store loop.
I do expect a custom entrance loop so I'm really looking forward to that coming whenever that does.
I've also been know to cut a rug to some hold music.
Sir_Cliff
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I understand that criticising the new store doesn't necessarily mean thinking MouseGear was any better, but, lord, I don't see how anyone wouldn't at least see Creations as an improvement.
I also sometimes get the impression that people don't realise Disney uses a lot of music from other sources all over the parks. They don't normally get a composer and orchestra together to create a new suite for every store or even land within the parks; it's mostly licensed music.
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Mickeynerd17
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This.
The original EPCOT had a ton of custom-written music, but there is also plenty of music fans love that was licensed. For example, the Wonders of Life music (the large majority of it) was from Ray Lynch, the classic Innoventions loop was a mixture of custom content and David Arkenstone tracks (and probably others I'm forgetting right now), and even Communicore used a few tracks from Network Music Ensemble (like Olympiad and Cloudburst). There's most likely more I'm not remembering right now, but you can't argue that all of those were not memorable.
Licensed music is nothing new to EPCOT. There has been a perfect balance over the last 39 years between licensed and original music, and I think a lot of people on this forum are worried the balance is being lost. Now, the kind of music being played may not match the park in my humble opinion (I'm more of a dramatic, electric-sci-fi 80's sound guy), but I don't have a major problem with the music being used right now.
My opinions constantly fluctuate though, and I'll be in EPCOT in two weeks to see this Creations Shop myself, so I'll make my ultimate opinion then.
When is MK going to get BG loops specifically composed for the MK?
Casper Gutman
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I think Creations and MouseGear are about equal, although MG had a few more spots of visual interest. The problem is that Creations was a fairly high-profile rebuild that has the exact same fundamental problem as its predecessor - EPCOT has no identity, and it is unclear how a central store might fit into any identity it did come up with, so the result is a completely souless, generic white space that might as well have been an unthemed warehouse. You can't theme something if you have no idea what the theme is meant to be. Any complaints about the music spring from the same source - the problem isn't that the music already existed, its that as a result of EPCOTs complete rudderlessness ANY music in the area was doomed to be meaningless and empty.
Sir_Cliff
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I understand that Epcot has been going through a prolonged identity crisis, however this shop honestly seems like one of the few things that is more or less in keeping with how Future World was designed originally. Centorium had a great name and sign, but it looked more or less like a contemporary department store. Personally, I think MouseGear is the worst iteration as it was basically a big version of a mall Disney Store from the 1990s. Whereas, for example, a Disney Store in Boston at the time might have character displays referencing the Boston Tea Party, MouseGear had character displays referencing technology because... Epcot? Creations, if anything, is a return to the Centorium approach of giving the store a contemporary aesthetic, just updated for 2021.
The other thing that stands out to me is that I haven't seen anyone outline a credible alternative for what an appropriately-themed store would look like. Either people seem to think it should be directly themed to vintage Epcot attractions or vague notions of a combination of all the pavilions and the spirit of Epcot.
Cmdr_Crimson
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I think It was missing something....Ah, here we go..Just needs an Epcot skyline instead.
Casper Gutman
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I honestly don't know how you theme the central store because I don't know what the theme of EPCOT can be. The park is such a muddled mess I've yet to hear someone suggest a strong, practical unifying concept. It's worth noting that the massive popularity of Time Man of the Year Elon Musk (of whom I am not a fan) as well as of fictional figures like Tony Stark (of whom I am a fan) show that EPCOT's original theme of the utopian promise of corporate-driven technological and social progress still holds significant appeal to a wide audience, even as it also presents various problems. I'm not really suggesting a return to that ideal, which Disney abandoned decades ago, but I can't say I have an alternative.
I also question whether Communicore's original theming was "contemporary." It was certainly a product of the early 80s, but it was the 80s view of the future, as outdated as that might be. I also question whether Creations' aesthetic is actually contemporary - like so much of Disney now, it pulls from Apple and the Apple Store, the first of which opened over 20 years ago. It might have been contemporary around 2003. And of course, Disney shouldn't be following design trends, it should be setting them. Creations is a safe, path-of-least-resistance, decision-by-committee nothing.
The long and the short of it is it's impossible to know how to make the central store fit without something for it to fit into.
Sir_Cliff
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This is kind of what I mean, though. Would an Elon Musk or Tony Stark store look that different? It would certainly look a lot more like Creations than MouseGear.
I'm talking more about Centorium than the whole Communicore. I think, though, you could make the same point about Creations and Apple Stores being a kind of 2020s vision of the future. To put it another way, if you wanted to give a contemporary vision of the future for a shop, what would your inspiration be? Centorium didn't look like something from another planet, it looked like a contemporary department store with bright carpet.
Was this really so much more futuristic in 1982
than this in 2021
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