Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[correcaminos]

New Isreal study. Basically shows natural immunity is very strong and last longer than regular vaccinated. Boosters help with both vaccinated and unvaccinated. In the report it shows about 1,400 out of the 1,600 critically I'll patients where vaccinated(not counting those who had neither natural or vaccines). Athletes from different sports are having to sit out due to covid, places with high vaccinated rates go through waves of covid.. another report from out of I believe California says both vaccinated and unvaccinated carry roughly the same viral load, meaning vaccinated do spread the virus not just CAN. I think everyone needs to treat this like a therapeutic, it does help with covid, but it doesn't eliminate covid.

“The Israeli cohort study assessed any positive (COVID-19) test result,” CDC researchers said, comparing the study to the multistate hospitalization review mentioned in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. “The Israeli cohort study also only examined vaccinations that had occurred 6 months earlier, so the benefit of more recent vaccination was not examined.”

Both Neilsen and Rankin agree that the type of study used in the Israeli example — an observational study that was not peer reviewed — is also an issue due to the potential for bias and other confounding variables that are built into observational studies.

“Medical science follows peer-reviewed, published articles, stuff that’s reproducible too,” Rankin said. “Observational trials, you’re not able to do that. You try to take out all the variables and reduce influence bias. With observational trials, it’s already built in.”

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[mkt]

It would have been worse if liquor stores were closed to the public. Selling alcohol was deemed as an essential service or else some would start to lose their minds if these stores were shut down.

The one good thing that happened locally was that breweries and distilleries were allowed to deliver direct to consumer.

 

[TikibirdLand]

The one good thing that happened locally was that breweries and distilleries were allowed to deliver direct to consumer.

Maybe you should have to prove your vaccination status to accept the delivery. Now, that would be an initiative!

 

[Joesixtoe]

“The Israeli cohort study assessed any positive (COVID-19) test result,” CDC researchers said, comparing the study to the multistate hospitalization review mentioned in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. “The Israeli cohort study also only examined vaccinations that had occurred 6 months earlier, so the benefit of more recent vaccination was not examined.”

Both Neilsen and Rankin agree that the type of study used in the Israeli example — an observational study that was not peer reviewed — is also an issue due to the potential for bias and other confounding variables that are built into observational studies.

“Medical science follows peer-reviewed, published articles, stuff that’s reproducible too,” Rankin said. “Observational trials, you’re not able to do that. You try to take out all the variables and reduce influence bias. With observational trials, it’s already built in.”

COVID-19 natural immunity vs. vaccine immunity: What the latest science says

Should you get a vaccine if you've already had COVID? The CDC says the latest research shows you should.

www.clickorlando.com

We are all just throwing out studies. This person says this, this study says that. This other study says the total opposite. My point has always been this is a new virus, constant changing of the "science", so to mandate and demonize people who disagree isn't the wisest position in my opinion.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Disagree. I would be fine with not bringing restrictions back but when I hear many people who have crossed the land border not having to show their test or proof of vaccination there is a problem.

With them bringing restrictions back is why I am in no hurry to travel anytime soon. Too many hoops to jump through to go anywhere

Which direction are you referring to?

American border guards are not typically even asking about vaccination status for southbound travelers in my experience.

Anyone returning to Canada does have to complete the ArriveCAN app and include proof of vaccination.

 

[Joesixtoe]

“The Israeli cohort study assessed any positive (COVID-19) test result,” CDC researchers said, comparing the study to the multistate hospitalization review mentioned in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. “The Israeli cohort study also only examined vaccinations that had occurred 6 months earlier, so the benefit of more recent vaccination was not examined.”

Both Neilsen and Rankin agree that the type of study used in the Israeli example — an observational study that was not peer reviewed — is also an issue due to the potential for bias and other confounding variables that are built into observational studies.

“Medical science follows peer-reviewed, published articles, stuff that’s reproducible too,” Rankin said. “Observational trials, you’re not able to do that. You try to take out all the variables and reduce influence bias. With observational trials, it’s already built in.”

COVID-19 natural immunity vs. vaccine immunity: What the latest science says

Should you get a vaccine if you've already had COVID? The CDC says the latest research shows you should.

www.clickorlando.com

Plus the study does involve boosters. Which in some aspects this study advocates for it.

 

[mmascari]

New Isreal study. Basically shows natural immunity is very strong and last longer than regular vaccinated. Boosters help with both vaccinated and unvaccinated. In the report it shows about 1,400 out of the 1,600 critically I'll patients where vaccinated(not counting those who had neither natural or vaccines). Athletes from different sports are having to sit out due to covid, places with high vaccinated rates go through waves of covid.. another report from out of I believe California says both vaccinated and unvaccinated carry roughly the same viral load, meaning vaccinated do spread the virus not just CAN. I think everyone needs to treat this like a therapeutic, it does help with covid, but it doesn't eliminate covid.

The conclusion that it's just a therapeutic is not what it says.

It does say they think the vaccinated with a breakthrough are likely to spread as well as someone else who is infected. But, that still doesn't mean all the vaccinated are out there spreading it. They still need a breakthrough to begin with. There's still way less vaccinated breakthrough cases than there are unvaccinated cases.

Across the reports you posted, they all also appear to confirm that at least one booster is needed. That the vaccine isn't really a "2 dose" vaccine, but that the entire course consists of at least 1 additional booster. That the likelihood of a breakthrough occurring after only 2 doses increases over time.

That's not really surprising either. Haven't we known that for a month plus already now? (Maybe it just feels like it's been a month.)

What we don't know yet, and none of the current studies can tell us, is if the full vaccine course is really 3 doses or if it's more. Maybe 3 is the magic number. Maybe it's 4 or 5, or 3 + 1 every 5 years, or 3 + 1 every 10 years, or 3 + 1 every year. It's going to take real calendar time for this to be determined.

 

[mkt]

Maybe you should have to prove your vaccination status to accept the delivery. Now, that would be an initiative!

This was about 6 months before the vaccine was available.

Funnily enough though, I was just in the place with the highest vaccination rate and some of the lowest infection rates in the US, and I genuinely loved being there. I felt safer than I do in Florida and had no issue showing my proof of vaccination for service at bars and restaurants.

 

[BrianLo]

another report from out of I believe California says both vaccinated and unvaccinated carry roughly the same viral load, meaning vaccinated do spread the virus not just CAN.

There seems to be a lot of sticking points on what this means.

What it means is that if 10 unvaccinated and 10 vaccinated gather for a prolonged period within close proximity of a case, maybe 8 unvaccinated and 1 vaccinated will go on to have COVID. Numbers illustrative but in the ballpark.

Those 8 unvaccinated and 1 vaccinated person can then go on to spread COVID equally.

For some reason there was a brief window of confusion. These Vaccine prevent contracting the disease thereby reducing spread. They do not treat the disease (a therapeutic) if it’s contracted to prevent spread.

They do drastically reduce transmission and therefore DO massively slow spread.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. I think that's a bridge too far.

Why should I, the business owner, put myself, other employees, and customers at risk because one employee has an irrational opinion about vaccines?

 

[James J]

Not good over here...

 

[TikibirdLand]

Why should I, the business owner, put myself, other employees, and customers at risk because one employee has an irrational opinion about vaccines?

IF you're fully vaccinated and have the necessary boosters, how would one employee put you at any more risk than one of your customers?

 

[Yodascousin]

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Not good over here...

Nothing we can do best thing is to take daily tests if you have symptoms or before you go places it’s so infectious there’s no stopping it…it’s going to be a rough 3-4 weeks but after that numbers should drop dramatically on the way to endemicity we go

 

[correcaminos]

Plus the study does involve boosters. Which in some aspects this study advocates for it.

The study is neither peer reviewed nor uses vaccination status lesser than 6 months. Throwing out studies just to toss one is unhelpful busing science in quotes doesn't sit well with me either. Enjoy your day

 

[mmascari]

We are all just throwing out studies. This person says this, this study says that. This other study says the total opposite. My point has always been this is a new virus, constant changing of the "science", so to mandate and demonize people who disagree isn't the wisest position in my opinion.

I'm pretty sure we haven't seen any study that says everyone should go out and get infected as a way to reduce spread.

I'm also pretty sure we haven't seen any study or development on a way to quantify a person's unique prior infection (or assumed infection) to know how their specific infection compares to the standard vaccine dose. Certainly not one that's easier or cheaper than just getting vaccinated with the standard dose.

All of the studies we've seen point to getting vaccinated offers additional protection beyond whatever condition someone had prior to vaccination.

• Someone who has never had COVID is better off after vaccination than they were before. At least for a time, and then they probably need another dose, up to at least 3 so far.
• Someone who has had 1 or 2 vaccine doses is better off with an additional dose, up to at least 3 so far.
• Someone who previously had COVID is better off after a vaccination dose than they were before.

It's kind of like an all expense paid free trip to WDW.

• Someone who has never been to WDW will enjoy an all expense paid free trip to WDW.
• Someone who has been to WDW just once will enjoy an all expense paid free trip to WDW.
• Someone who has been to WDW many times will enjoy an all expense paid free trip to WDW.

What I'm saying is: Will someone please give me an all expense paid free trip to WDW?

 

[James J]

Nothing we can do best thing is to take daily tests if you have symptoms or before you go places it’s so infectious there’s no stopping it…it’s going to be a rough 3-4 weeks but after that numbers should drop dramatically on the way to endemicity we go

Oh yeah agreed, we've been taking our lateral flow tests and have managed to get booster appointments for tomorrow before we fly to the US next Tuesday which we're very glad about.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

IF you're fully vaccinated and have the necessary boosters, how would one employee put you at any more risk than one of your customers?

If you work with a co-worker for a full 8-hour shift (or even a 4-hour shift for a part-time employee) then you have more opportunity to catch what they have than you do from a customer with whom you spend a small window of time.

 

[TikibirdLand]

If you work with a co-worker for a full 8-hour shift (or even a 4-hour shift for a part-time employee) then you have more opportunity to catch what they have than you do from a customer with whom you spend a small window of time.

It all comes down to exposure risk. If you're working with customers of unknown status, I'd say it's about the same. Regardless, your risk very low if you're fully vaccinated. I don't think I'd sweat it.

 

[Disney Analyst]

So Vermont is higher for at least one dose (87.5% vs 81.7%) and slightly lower for fully vaccinated (75.6% vs 76.424%) compared to Canada. If vaccination rate is causing Canada to show reduced spread getting near the tipping point the same should be seen in Vermont I would think.

The question is what are the other variables in Canada keeping the rate lower than the US currently?

Majority of Canadians generally listen and follow the rules.

Vaccine passports

Masking indoors in public settings mandatory.

 

[Yodascousin]

Oh yeah agreed, we've been taking our lateral flow tests and have managed to get booster appointments for tomorrow before we fly to the US next Tuesday which we're very glad about.

Have a great time! I’m due to go in April after rebooking 4 times praying no travel restrictions are introduced!