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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Lilofan

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I’m not going to explain this again. Please google delirium tremens. A severe, life threatening, hospital requiring, condition that occurs in alcoholics that stop drinking abruptly. The only prevention to this condition other then an inpatient admission is alcohol. Hospitals didn’t need a surge in admissions.
One reason is alcohol related domestic violence could spike ( more going to hospitals for care ) if alcohol is denied to some customers hence liquor stores are made to be essential services during the pandemic. Liquor stores are also a big money maker for govt ( ie taxed on liquor ) .
 
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mmascari

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I know you are being sarcastic but you'll be much happier for the next few years if you stopped worrying about COVID once vaccinated (and followed up with boosters) and did just that.
Sticking your head in the sand and just ignoring the world events around you can make someone happier too. Right up until it doesn't in a bad way.

That it doesn't do is actually try to improve the situation.

I mean, I dislike taking my car in for service. I could just just not worry about oil changes. Probably get away with it for a while too, right up until it becomes very bad. 🤷‍♂️
 

TikibirdLand

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Sticking your head in the sand and just ignoring the world events around you can make someone happier too. Right up until it doesn't in a bad way.

That it doesn't do is actually try to improve the situation.

I mean, I dislike taking my car in for service. I could just just not worry about oil changes. Probably get away with it for a while too, right up until it becomes very bad. 🤷‍♂️
Not sure I understand your analogy... If you're getting vacinated and getting booster(s), aren't you "taking my car in for service" so to speak? If you're doing that, I think you're doing your part in helping with this pandemic.
 

Yodascousin

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It’s not going away, but the issue remains how many immunity naive people remain. We started in November 2019 with 100% naive and have been working our way through. This summer estimates were that 30% of the US population remained. Delta knocked us down to about 15%. But with more immunity escape then that bumps us back up somewhat. How much depends on the percentage of severity of breakthrough cases in older, vulnerable. But even those won’t bring us back to what we were facing before. Although people being less careful can lead to vulnerable people being hospitalized at higher rates. The ceiling for max hospitalizations has dropped. But as long as as it’s still above capacity we have a situation that needs to be hands-on managed. And as pointed out earlier in the thread, Canada has less surge capacity than the US.
More and more actual evidence pointing towards less severity even people with no prior protection…a new study found that the cells don’t replicate in the lungs as well as previous variants which points towards less severe…bad news it replicates 70x faster in the throat which is why it’s so damn infectious
 

mmascari

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Not sure I understand your analogy... If you're getting vacinated and getting booster(s), aren't you "taking my car in for service" so to speak? If you're doing that, I think you're doing your part in helping with this pandemic.
It's just that you cannot simply ignore problems and then not worry about them.

Just ignoring that community spread is still high and pretending it doesn't matter because you are personally vaccinated is ignoring a problem.

Yes, getting vaccinated is the most direct thing you can personally do to help reduce spread. But, it's not enough, and it's not a full solution.
 

TikibirdLand

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It's just that you cannot simply ignore problems and then not worry about them.

Just ignoring that community spread is still high and pretending it doesn't matter because you are personally vaccinated is ignoring a problem.

Yes, getting vaccinated is the most direct thing you can personally do to help reduce spread. But, it's not enough, and it's not a full solution.
I can tell you're worried about it. But, how does that translate into action on your part? Getting on a forum and yelling at the sky isn't part of the solution; and, neither is worrying about it. Do your part ("get your car serviced"), do the same for your family's "car" too. Encourage your neighbors. Just realize that last group has their own opinions and may not follow your advice.
 

Bob Harlem

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More and more actual evidence pointing towards less severity even people with no prior protection…a new study found that the cells don’t replicate in the lungs as well as previous variants which points towards less severe…bad news it replicates 70x faster in the throat which is why it’s so damn infectious
The source for this is from the Hong Kong Study. Effectively much more bronchial, almost no lung. Which is why the symptoms usually don't include oxygen loss. Rapid spike in cases (as in breaking records nearly everywhere, even in areas that haven't had spikes) then followed by a rapid dropoff, not much folks can do to likely to stop it, either. Luckily these types of symptoms are much less likely to cause long term effects. But also, lots of people will catch it and not even know they have it unless they get tested.

 
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Lilofan

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I can tell you're worried about it. But, how does that translate into action on your part? Getting on a forum and yelling at the sky isn't part of the solution; and, neither is worrying about it. Do your part ("get your car serviced"), do the same for your family's "car" too. Encourage your neighbors. Just realize that last group has their own opinions and may not follow your advice.
I've encouraged friends and family but I also support businesses giving the ultimatum. Get the shot or face losing your job .
 

Joesixtoe

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New Isreal study. Basically shows natural immunity is very strong and last longer than regular vaccinated. Boosters help with both vaccinated and unvaccinated. In the report it shows about 1,400 out of the 1,600 critically I'll patients where vaccinated(not counting those who had neither natural or vaccines). Athletes from different sports are having to sit out due to covid, places with high vaccinated rates go through waves of covid.. another report from out of I believe California says both vaccinated and unvaccinated carry roughly the same viral load, meaning vaccinated do spread the virus not just CAN. I think everyone needs to treat this like a therapeutic, it does help with covid, but it doesn't eliminate covid.
 

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DisneyFan32

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New Isreal study. Basically shows natural immunity is very strong and last longer than regular vaccinated. Boosters help with both vaccinated and unvaccinated. In the report it shows about 1,400 out of the 1,600 critically I'll patients where vaccinated(not counting those who had neither natural or vaccines). Athletes from different sports are having to sit out due to covid, places with high vaccinated rates go through waves of covid.. another report from out of I believe California says both vaccinated and unvaccinated carry roughly the same viral load, meaning vaccinated do spread the virus not just CAN. I think everyone needs to treat this like a therapeutic, it does help with covid, but it doesn't eliminate covid.
So thats means the pandemic will longer for years or the pandemic will ending by next year?
 

JoeCamel

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New Isreal study. Basically shows natural immunity is very strong and last longer than regular vaccinated. Boosters help with both vaccinated and unvaccinated. In the report it shows about 1,400 out of the 1,600 critically I'll patients where vaccinated(not counting those who had neither natural or vaccines). Athletes from different sports are having to sit out due to covid, places with high vaccinated rates go through waves of covid.. another report from out of I believe California says both vaccinated and unvaccinated carry roughly the same viral load, meaning vaccinated do spread the virus not just CAN. I think everyone needs to treat this like a therapeutic, it does help with covid, but it doesn't eliminate covid.

One of the reports
Rather than screenshots can you provide a link to the data? I have to jump through hoops to read those then I still have questions about them
 

Joesixtoe

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I believe this study is showing a lower transmission rate from the vaccines in the original covid virus, but not so much in the Delta. I didn't comb through this much, but from skimming through it, it's what I got.
 

Touchdown

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One reason is alcohol related domestic violence could spike ( more going to hospitals for care ) if alcohol is denied to some customers hence liquor stores are made to be essential services during the pandemic. Liquor stores are also a big money maker for govt ( ie taxed on liquor ) .
It’s just that it seems like everytime someone brings this up it’s to prop up the false belief that society values drinking over things like religious services when that isn’t the case. Delerium Tremens is the only reason liquor stores were deemed essential.
 
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