Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[The Mom]

IMHO the smart ones were down at least 2 weeks ago

There are still a lot who wait until after Christmas to make the move - or go back just for the holidays and fly right back to FL again.

But most are coming from areas where the rates are increasing going to areas where the rates have been decreasing. Many might be asymptomatic carriers who may spread it. So FL may have another surge.

 

[Figgy1]

There are still a lot who wait until after Christmas to make the move - or go back just for the holidays and fly right back to FL again.

But most are coming from areas where the rates are increasing going to areas where the rates have been decreasing. Many might be asymptomatic carriers who may spread it. So FL may have another surge.

Good luck down there and enjoy the weather

 

[DCBaker]

"The Food and Drug Administration expanded the emergency use authorization for the Pfizer and Moderna Covid-19 vaccine boosters on Friday, signaling that the shots can be given to anyone aged 18 or older at least six months after completion of the primary vaccine series.

The new policy still requires signoff from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to go into effect. The CDC’s vaccine advisory panel will meet Friday on the issue. But if the CDC agrees with the FDA, this will be in effect the completion of a Biden administration promise, announced in mid-August, to provide all American adults Covid booster doses this fall.

“Authorizing the use of a single booster dose of either the Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine for individuals 18 years of age and older helps to provide continued protection against Covid-19, including the serious consequences that can occur, such as hospitalization and death,” acting FDA Commissioner Janet Woodcock said in a statement announcing the agency’s ruling."

FDA expands emergency authorization for Covid-19 booster shots to all adults

The FDA expanded the emergency use authorization for the Pfizer and Moderna Covid-19 vaccine boosters, signaling that the shots can be given to anyone aged 18 or older.

www.statnews.com

 

[Andrew C]

I mean, is this refuting what I posted?

No. Not at all. I was just sharing overall case trends for your state. That's all.

 

[Andrew C]

I just signed up for my booster for the first week in December. They had availability today but I want to wait until after I get through Thanksgiving. Also, travelling for Christmas so wanted to get it knocked out before then.

 

[Bob Harlem]

Florida Covid hospitalization has dropped to a new all time low (since recording started in April 2020) 2.36% (and the new covid patient intake rate is still falling of beds used by covid) Last week Florida had 2.53% beds used by covid patients. Highest and rising is Minnesota at 37.1% and New Mexico at 39%. Maine is at 22% and rising Vermont is 14.4% and rising. Nationwide average is 6.58%.

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[havoc315]

Maybe this will be the disease to kill off humanity...I'm going to stop paying my bills.

After the booster, then what? My parents got theirs yesterday, we are getting ours week after Thanksgiving, but I know many, many vaccinated who aren't getting booster because they've been told they don't need.

The messaging on boosters has been awful. First, a lot of coverage of scientists talking outside of strict medical benefit of boosters. While it's been pretty clear for a while that boosters are medically helpful, there was a lot of, "scientists aren't sure whether boosters are necessary." And a lot of scientists and policy makers were looking at global costs/benefits, as opposed to the benefits for the individual patient, and concluding, "it's more important to give someone in a 3rd world country dose #1 than to give an American dose #3."
At the same time, politicians and government agencies were afraid of discouraging confidence in the vaccines. They were afraid if they pushed boosters, it would be a signal that the vaccines aren't really working, which would discourage initial vaccination.

But we've known for a long time now that boosters are indeed beneficial to patients. The evidence has continued to grow. Even for younger people, we are seeing growing evidence of the benefit of boosters.

The horrible messaging is going to hurt us this winter. For a while, we should have been treating this as a "3 dose vaccine" -- Not as a booster.

There is the possibility that this 3rd shot adds a lot of durability, and further shots won't matter. It's also possible that people could benefit from a booster every year or so.

 

[DisneyCane]

The messaging on boosters has been awful. First, a lot of coverage of scientists talking outside of strict medical benefit of boosters. While it's been pretty clear for a while that boosters are medically helpful, there was a lot of, "scientists aren't sure whether boosters are necessary." And a lot of scientists and policy makers were looking at global costs/benefits, as opposed to the benefits for the individual patient, and concluding, "it's more important to give someone in a 3rd world country dose #1 than to give an American dose #3."
At the same time, politicians and government agencies were afraid of discouraging confidence in the vaccines. They were afraid if they pushed boosters, it would be a signal that the vaccines aren't really working, which would discourage initial vaccination.

But we've known for a long time now that boosters are indeed beneficial to patients. The evidence has continued to grow. Even for younger people, we are seeing growing evidence of the benefit of boosters.

The horrible messaging is going to hurt us this winter. For a while, we should have been treating this as a "3 dose vaccine" -- Not as a booster.

There is the possibility that this 3rd shot adds a lot of durability, and further shots won't matter. It's also possible that people could benefit from a booster every year or so.

It would have been a great help if, when the vaccines were first approved, the "experts that be" would have been saying that it is possible that 3 doses will be needed and it is still being studied but 2 doses gives you great protection in the short term.

 

[havoc315]

It would have been a great help if, when the vaccines were first approved, the "experts that be" would have been saying that it is possible that 3 doses will be needed and it is still being studied but 2 doses gives you great protection in the short term.

Yes. But many scientists were saying that. But the media and politicians have difficulty with nuance.
In fact, look at my own old posts on the board. Certain people attacked me when I suggested any imperfection of the vaccines, discussed the continuing role of breakthrough infections, waning immunity.
So there was this narrative of the vaccines being nearly perfect.
Wasn’t enough to honestly say, “these vaccines are very very good but might not be the end of the battle.”

 

[jmp85]

I don't know where the NY Times data is coming from but neither the CDC nor worldometers.info show that increase. The CDC has the 7 day rolling average at 1499 cases and worldometers has it at 1500. I assume the discrepancy is due to rounding. NYT is showing 16% higher than either so maybe they have an error in the data.

Definitely something strange going on with the NYT data. It doesn't match any of the normal sources I follow. Cases are essentially flat here.

 

[hopemax]

There was plenty of talk when vaccines were approved that they were only as good as what they were tested against, and that any new variant could upset the apple cart. They also said that the vaccines intent was prevent severe outcomes, and they hoped sterilizing immunity would be part of it but time would tell. Maybe against wild-type it would have. People didn't listen to those parts, and then got all shocked when Delta upset the cart. I am past the point of indulging this sort of hindsight because people were told the part about variants having the ability to change the game and they didn't listen. Once people heard 95% efficacy, all the qualified statements went in one ear and out the other. The potential for another shot would have been another thing people didn't listen to.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

It’s time disney ends their mask mandates. Just went to IAAPA and there were 10’s of thousands of maskless people indoors. I went to multiple sold out Lightning games just an hour down the road from Disney, no one had a mask. Uni of course doesn’t require masks. Disney is literally the only place that’s not a hospital requiring masks in the state of FL.

 

[DisneyCane]

Yes. But many scientists were saying that. But the media and politicians have difficulty with nuance.
In fact, look at my own old posts on the board. Certain people attacked me when I suggested any imperfection of the vaccines, discussed the continuing role of breakthrough infections, waning immunity.
So there was this narrative of the vaccines being nearly perfect.
Wasn’t enough to honestly say, “these vaccines are very very good but might not be the end of the battle.”

I will own up to being one that didn't agree with your suggestions of vaccine imperfection a few months ago. You were correct which I've concluded through going through the available data and research.

 

[Bob Harlem]

It’s time disney ends their mask mandates. Just went to IAAPA and there were 10’s of thousands of maskless people indoors. I went to multiple sold out Lightning games just an hour down the road from Disney, no one had a mask. Uni of course doesn’t require masks. Disney is literally the only place that’s not a hospital requiring masks in the state of FL.

Bonus points if you spotted Disney higher ups there at IAPPA that were also maskless. (there were plenty)

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Your final two reasons, plus MT’s most recent out of control surge, is what pushed me over the edge in mid October. I was eligible based on occupation, but in no rush honestly to go in. Then all Hades broke loose around me and I changed my mind.

I will say that the third Pfizer dose was a real doozy from a side effect standpoint. Nothing life-threatening, but I was sore and feverish in a more pronounced fashion. Though still only for 24 hours or so, peaked around 18 hours post shot.

This is my current position, I’m eligible because I work in a casino but I’ve been waiting until I feel I need it.

My side affects were mild, sore arm with the first shot and exhausted for about a week with the second, so I’m hesitant to see what the third does. The second shot (although still mild) was significantly worse than the first, I know at some point I’ll need the booster but I’m in no rush to get it and see how it makes me feel.

 

[JoeCamel]

It’s time disney ends their mask mandates. Just went to IAAPA and there were 10’s of thousands of maskless people indoors. I went to multiple sold out Lightning games just an hour down the road from Disney, no one had a mask. Uni of course doesn’t require masks. Disney is literally the only place that’s not a hospital requiring masks in the state of FL.

I wonder why hospitals would still require a mask? Maybe they know something medical?

 

[JoeCamel]

This is my current position, I’m eligible because I work in a casino but I’ve been waiting until I feel I need it.

My side affects were mild, sore arm with the first shot and exhausted for about a week with the second, so I’m hesitant to see what the third does. The second shot (although still mild) was significantly worse than the first, I know at some point I’ll need the booster but I’m in no rush to get it and see how it makes me feel.

I've heard several reports from people that the second was a significant reaction but the third was mild. Hope yours works out that way

 

[Lilofan]

I've heard several reports from people that the second was a significant reaction but the third was mild. Hope yours works out that way

That's correct. My friends , family and myself had more intense side effects from the second as opposed to the third .

 

[Andrew C]

I am super pumped to see what side effects I get for my third.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

It's pretty much always been known that a third shot, and possibly more, were a real possibility.

We're still learning the best approach. A longer period between first and second doses has proven to be effective. Mixing vaccines has proven to be effective. Some vaccines have proven to be better than others over the long term.

I will happily get a third shot and more if needed.