Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Andrew C]

My brother tested positive on Thursday. He took a test because his throat felt “a little weird,” and we had plans last weekend.

The only other day that he felt very minor cold symptoms was Friday. Saturday and Sunday he was back to his normal self making huge breakfasts, and last night he was drinking whiskey. Never lost taste or smell.

While he is a fit 28 year old, I have no doubt that he would have been feeling a lot worse had he not been vaccinated.

No issues for you then?

 

[matt9112]

It’s technically not illegal to ask for vaccine status, a business just cannot deny access based solely on it. An easy work around which is still legal would be to require a negative Covid test to enter the restaurant and then allow an exception if you show proof of vaccination. That would not violate the FL law since an unvaccinated person is not being denied access. Disney could implement that as their plan if they wanted and it would be perfectly legal.

Im sure thats what they want to do with attendance where it is.....

 

[ToTBellHop]

I don’t know if it is in here as it’s a lot to read, but the FDA vaccine advisory panel is scheduled to meet 10/26 to discuss issuing an EUA for the Pfizer vaccine to kids ages 5-11. There are a couple steps after that but we could see authorization by the end of the first week of November. It only took a couple days last December so maybe they make Halloween.

 

[disneygeek90]

No issues for you then?

Nope, luckily he took the test Thursday and he was going to visit for HHN Friday. We rescheduled to the 17th, and I had no issues moving his ticket.

 

[Andrew C]

Nope, luckily he took the test Thursday and he was going to visit for HHN Friday. We rescheduled to the 17th, and I had no issues moving his ticket.

I meant did you not get the virus then. I wasn’t sure of your interactions with your bro around the time he got it.

 

[DisneyFan32]

I don’t know if it is in here as it’s a lot to read, but the FDA vaccine advisory panel is scheduled to meet 10/26 to discuss issuing an EUA for the Pfizer vaccine to kids ages 5-11. There are a couple steps after that but we could see authorization by the end of the first week of November. It only took a couple days last December so maybe they make Halloween.

What about for babies like 1-10 months for their vaccines soon?

 

[Nubs70]

Actually, this is the frustrating thing. I am actually a very optimistic and hopeful person, especially over the long term. But I'm not going to paint the reality of a situation as good when it's not. I am not going to say something is over, when there is a the entire human history indicating things like this take years. But here, I'm one of the captains of Team Doom & Gloom. Hope is what gets people through tough situations, hope isn't denying the realities of the tough situations or mis-identifying where in the timeline we are vs where we want to be.

I see it through critical analysis which some may see as doom and gloom but is rather more of glass half full. As an engineer, I start from a half full perspective with an eye for what could go wrong. I deal daily with safety protocols whose foundation is what could go wrong. Approaching situations with an optimistic mindset gets people killed or maimed. I have seen people who had the mindset of people who thought " I'll just be careful and it will be OK" get sucked into machinery and literally hosed off the wall, a person entangled in a machine hold his arm against against a moving rope to self amputate his arm rather than be fully sucked into a machine. For me, its analyzing the situation, looking at alternatives and finding the best solution.

For those who can remember back to 1986 and the Challenger launch, "That O-ring should be just fine" is an example of optimistic engineering that has been a guiding example throughout my life.

 

[EpcoTim]

What about for babies like 1-10 months for their vaccines soon?

If everything goes well they should be eligible for first booster dose by the start of next summer.

 

[disneygeek90]

I meant did you not get the virus then. I wasn’t sure of your interactions with your bro around the time he got it.

Oh yeah he lives in Miami and I’m in Orlando so no contact whatsoever which was good!

 

[correcaminos]

What about for babies like 1-10 months for their vaccines soon?

6 months is the earliest I have seen. So up to 6 month old they'll have to rely on caregivers being vaccinated. Pregnant Moms who get vaccinated have been seen to pass it onto their unborn babies.

 

[BuddyThomas]

I don’t know if any of you heard about the hair and makeup designer of Netflix’s Bridgerton, who just won an Emmy and died of COVID a week later. He was fully vaxxed with no underlying conditions.

In an alternative universe, I’m at a Counting Crows concert at the Hammerstein Ballroom right now but after hearing stuff like this, I cancelled my plans. Maybe it’s not exactly the best time to be tempting fate with gigantic crowds mashed together.

Be careful out there, folks.

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[Vegas Disney Fan]

You can be pro-vaxx and still buy into the unscientific claims of anti-vaxxers. Which you have. If you want to truly be pro-vax, you need to make sure what you say has a scientific basis and isn't easily disproved by a few counter example.

Are you saying Yale medicine has fallen for unscientific claims of anti-vaxxers? Because the link I provided backs up my beliefs.

How about the Mayo Clinic?

”How is herd immunity achieved?​

There are two paths to herd immunity for COVID-19 — vaccines and infection. ”

Then how come we never developed a natural herd immunity to incredibly contagious measles?

I can’t explain that… can you explain how the Spanish flu pandemic ended without a vaccine if herd immunity doesn’t work?

 

[correcaminos]

Are you saying Yale medicine has falling for unscientific claims of anti-vaxxers? Because the link I provided backs up my beliefs.

How about the Mayo Clinic?

”How is herd immunity achieved?​

There are two paths to herd immunity for COVID-19 — vaccines and infection. ”



I can’t explain that… can you explain how the Spanish flu pandemic ended without a vaccine if herd immunity doesn’t work?

It mutated to less deadly after getting some natural immunity from some https://www.history.com/news/1918-flu-pandemic-never-ended

Honestly this is why I think eventually covid will fade... that and mostly thanks to vaccines in many parts of the world.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

It mutated to less deadly after getting some natural immunity from some https://www.history.com/news/1918-flu-pandemic-never-ended

Honestly this is why I think eventually covid will fade... that and mostly thanks to vaccines in many parts of the world.

This is my belief with covid also, prior to delta I thought we had a good chance of reaching the 75% vaccination rates predicted to eradicate it but with Delta predictions now saying 90% vaccination rates I just don’t see it happening the easy way.

PS… has anyone watched the National Geographic show on Dr Fauci they just added to Disney+… it’s pretty interesting.

 

[ToTBellHop]

What about for babies like 1-10 months for their vaccines soon?

Likely early 2022. Ages 2-5 are next, probably in VERY late 2021.

 

[Bullseye1967]

It mutated to less deadly after getting some natural immunity from some https://www.history.com/news/1918-flu-pandemic-never-ended

Honestly this is why I think eventually covid will fade... that and mostly thanks to vaccines in many parts of the world.

People don't seem to get that mutation is the issue. Before the Delta variant, the vaccinated in the US felt pretty safe. Delta didn't start in the US, it started in India where it tore through their population. Their vaccinated rate was under 10 percent at the time. Until the whole globe get a decent percentage of their population vaccinated this virus will continue.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

What about for babies like 1-10 months for their vaccines soon?

”In the largest study of its kind to date, researchers at Massachusetts General Hospital (MGH), Brigham and Women’s Hospital and the Ragon Institute of MGH, MIT and Harvard have found the new mRNA COVID-19 vaccines to be highly effective in producing antibodies against the SARS-CoV-2 virus in pregnant and lactating women. The study also demonstrated the vaccines confer protective immunity to newborns through breast milk and the placenta.”

Infants acquire immunity from their mothers… as long as their mothers have been vaccinated (or sick) and have antibodies.

 

[MisterPenguin]

If you want to be one of us, you must not question anything. Geez.

It seems you have a problem with what I posted.

Care to spell it out more clearly? I can't decipher your "one of us" shorthand for some other fight you're fighting.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Are you saying Yale medicine has fallen for unscientific claims of anti-vaxxers? Because the link I provided backs up my beliefs.

How about the Mayo Clinic?

”How is herd immunity achieved?​

There are two paths to herd immunity for COVID-19 — vaccines and infection. ”



I can’t explain that… can you explain how the Spanish flu pandemic ended without a vaccine if herd immunity doesn’t work?

We know how herd immunity comes about. It's the goal of medical science.

But in this case of COVID, the anti-vaxxer have been *misusing* herd immunity as a way to get us all to stop using masks or getting vaccinated.

We want herd immunity. I want herd immunity. But in the face of a contagious disease which just got a whole lot more contagious, then herd immunity is going to be harder to get.

Just like with bubonic plague, and small pox, and measles, and polio... unless there is significantly more vaccinations taking place and significant protocols of slowing the contagion (like the use of masks).

So, when we talk about getting people vaccinated and wearing masks and people pipe up about 'herd immunity' as a given to let our guard down... to get us letting up on mask usage or vaccine mandates, that's the talking point of anti-vaxxers.

But, when we talk about getting people vaccinated and wearing masks in order to get to 'herd immunity,' then that's science.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

We know how herd immunity comes about. It's the goal of medical science.

But in this case of COVID, the anti-vaxxer have been *misusing* herd immunity as a way to get us all to stop using masks or getting vaccinated.

We want herd immunity. I want herd immunity. But in the face of a contagious disease which just got a whole lot more contagious, then herd immunity is going to be harder to get.

Just like with bubonic plague, and small pox, and measles, and polio... unless there is significantly more vaccinations taking place and significant protocols of slowing the contagion (like the use of masks).

So, when we talk about getting people vaccinated and wearing masks and people pipe up about 'herd immunity' as a given to let our guard down... to get us letting up on mask usage or vaccine mandates, that's the talking point of anti-vaxxers.

But, when we talk about getting people vaccinated and wearing masks in order to get to 'herd immunity,' then that's science.

I think this is where you and I differ in our thinking towards herd immunity, when I talk about herd immunity it has nothing to do with letting our guard down, stopping vaccines, or wearing masks… Herd immunity is the ultimate goal, for most people it should encourage vaccines and precautions because it’ll bring the end about faster.

You see Herd immunity as an anti-vax talking point, I see it as a carrot that encourages people to keep trudging along and taking the precautions because there’s light at the end of the tunnel, in spite of things that are beyond our control. All I can do is take care of myself and encourage people to get vaccinated, herd immunity gives me hope though that there’s an end to this regardless of whether we get to 70%, 80%, or 90%.