Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Andrew C]

I have mixed thoughts. I'm afraid too many people may look at this as an alternative to getting vaccinated.

Those people aren't getting vaccinated now, so may as well try to keep them out of the hospital when they do get the virus.

 

[Lilofan]

The ironic part is back when I was that age a lot of us were putting a lot of “stuff” into our bodies without really knowing or caring what it was. I’m not talking about shooting up heroin or anything that extreme (although some did that too ) but even just stuff like GNC supplements or things like over the counter pills to stay awake.

Ingested, crushed, etc " No Doz " pills to pull all nighters in college back in the day.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

I have mixed thoughts. I'm afraid too many people may look at this as an alternative to getting vaccinated.

In a world where people are ingesting horse medication, a legitimate and easy to take treatment for COVID is not the worst thing.

It's true that more people need to understand that preventing COVID is preferable to treating COVID.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I have mixed thoughts. I'm afraid too many people may look at this as an alternative to getting vaccinated.

If the EAU follows the trial data, people without comorbidities won't qualify anyway, although we can probably expect a black market for the stuff.

And it would be especially ironic if refuseniks continue to turn down vaccines with billions of data points under study for safety, but trust a drug that was tested on less than 1,000 people (well, for COVID, more people probably received it for the ongoing influenza trials).

 

[DisneyCane]

I have mixed thoughts. I'm afraid too many people may look at this as an alternative to getting vaccinated.

At this point the vast majority of the unvaccinated won't get vaccinated unless forced to so I don't think it's a big concern.

 

[corsairk09]

I have mixed thoughts. I'm afraid too many people may look at this as an alternative to getting vaccinated.

This is a great thing. Many people are determined to not get vaccinated for a variety of reasons. Many of which make sense to them. Having MORE medicine that PREVENTS death is ONLY a good thing.

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[GoofGoof]

This is a great thing. Many people are determined to not get vaccinated for a variety of reasons. Many of which make sense to them. Having MORE medicine that PREVENTS death is ONLY a good thing.

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Agreed. More treatments is a good thing. I think where @lewisc is coming from is a concern that people will decide that this or other similar treatments are a replacement for getting vaccinated. That’s a bad thing. Treatments like this are a great compliment to the vaccines. They can greatly reduce the already lowered risk of serious illness from breakthrough infections. That’s fantastic news. What they don’t do is stop the spread of Covid. The vaccines are the best way to do that. So while preventing deaths is obviously a good thing and these types of treatment will help people already infected we just need to stay focused on vaccination to actually stop the spread too.

 

[Heelz2315]

Agreed. More treatments is a good thing. I think where @lewisc is coming from is a concern that people will decide that this or other similar treatments are a replacement for getting vaccinated. That’s a bad thing. Treatments like this are a great compliment to the vaccines. They can greatly reduce the already lowered risk of serious illness from breakthrough infections. That’s fantastic news. What they don’t do is stop the spread of Covid. The vaccines are the best way to do that. So while preventing deaths is obviously a good thing and these types of treatment will help people already infected we just need to stay focused on vaccination to actually stop the spread too.

They're not 100% sure that the drug doesn't do that yet. It may actually block transmission once it's tested in younger healthier people.

 

[GoofGoof]

They're not 100% sure that the drug doesn't do that yet. It may actually block transmission once it's tested in younger healthier people.

This drug will not be taken as a preventative unless people try to take the pill daily which is not how it’s designed to work. You take the pill once you already have covid. In theory if taking this pill reduces the severity and length of the infection it could make people less contagious or contagious for a shorter period of time once infected but that‘s an ancillary benefit that is in no way a replacement for vaccination.

Edit: the actual treatment is 8 pills a day for 5 days.

 

[Heppenheimer]

This drug will not be taken as a preventative unless people try to take the pill daily which is not how it’s designed to work. You take the pill once you already have covid. In theory if taking this pill reduces the severity and length of the infection it could make people less contagious or contagious for a shorter period of time once infected but that‘s an ancillary benefit that is in no way a replacement for vaccination.

Edit: the actual treatment is 8 pills a day for 5 days.

Note, though, that Merck is studying the use of molnupiravir for post-exposure prophylaxis. They have not asked for an EAU for this indication yet, but it might come later.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Yep! People will walk into GNC or some local vitamin/supplement shop and buy giant containers of some powder or pills that claim to safely build muscle mass, yet they ignore the fact that professional sports leagues in the US provide athletes a list of supplements to avoid because they have found PEDs in them that weren't included in the list of ingredients - and you can buy those supplements at GNC (usually with a disclaimer on the label stating that their claims have not been evaluated by the FDA)! But they wouldn't dare get a vaccine because they "don't know what's in them" despite very easily being able to find out exactly what's in them because - unlike those supplements they take - the FDA has inspected the ingredients and manufacturing process to make sure they are what they say they are. But some guy on YouTube who may or may not say "Bro!" 5 times per sentence told them they don't need it if they just order his magical immunity/protein supplement.

Thank you, senators Hatch and Harkin, for one of the worst pieces of consumer protection legislation in recent history:

Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[GoofGoof]

Note, though, that Merck is studying the use of molnupiravir for post-exposure prophylaxis. They have not asked for an EAU for this indication yet, but it might come later.

Even so that’s no replacement for vaccination. I’m skeptical that people who won’t take a free vaccine (two jabs) will be willing to take 8 pills for 5 straight days every time they have contact with a covid positive person and even if they do how do you know they have had contact. It’s an interesting use of the drug but seems pretty limited in practice. I would assume that type of use would be effective in places like a nursing home, or maybe a prison where you dose everyone as a precaution when an outbreak is first identified to try to knock down the spread before it becomes widespread.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Can someone explain to me why we can't have parades anymore, but can have the absolute chaos in the Emporium, with literally wall to wall people?!

I’m glad I’m not the only one wondering this, fireworks with people packed like sardines, ride queues with people packed like sardines, the whole park today is people packed like sardines… bring back the parades already!

 

[mmascari]

I’m skeptical that people who won’t take a free vaccine (two jabs) will be willing to take 8 pills for 5 straight days every time they have contact with a covid positive person and even if they do how do you know they have had contact. It’s an interesting use of the drug but seems pretty limited in practice.

How about all those people worried about the "long term effects" of the vaccine. The thing that's just 1 to 3 small doses spread out over many months. Replacing that with 8 doses daily for 5 days, 40 pills for your liver to process. Repeat a few times a year and now you're talking actual real concern for buildup in things like the liver or kidneys. Extra bonus when someone screws up and takes 9 or 10 or more in a day by mistake.

More treatments for people who are sick is always good. But, completely agree, this isn't the way to end the pandemic and get COVID under control.

 

[corsairk09]

I’m glad I’m not the only one wondering this, fireworks with people packed like sardines, ride queues with people packed like sardines, the whole park today is people packed like sardines… bring back the parades already!

I have never been huge on parades in general......

But I REALLY LOVE the calvalcades.

Perhaps it is different now (I will see in exactly 32 days!!!! eeekkkkkk!!!!!!) but I saw characters way more when I went September 2020 than ever before. I hope they keep the calvalcades.

Though I understand that there are a ton of people who love the parades, and you are all right... this is one of the MAAAAANY covid changes that makes absolutely no sense.

 

[DisneyCane]

Thank you, senators Hatch and Harkin, for one of the worst pieces of consumer protection legislation in recent history:

Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It was bipartisan so doesn't that make it great?

 

[mmascari]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2021/10/01/california-student-covid-vaccine-mandate/

California will require all students to get a coronavirus vaccine when it gets full FDA approval​

California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) announced Friday that the state will require all schoolchildren to get vaccinated against coronavirus when it gets full approval from the Food and Drug Administration, enacting the first statewide requirement for children.

The mandate would take effect in phases, based on full FDA approval of the vaccine. It would apply to any public or private school student who wants to attend classes in person.

 

[Andrew C]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2021/10/01/california-student-covid-vaccine-mandate/

Fine with this. Good. All states should do this.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

I have never been huge on parades in general......

But I REALLY LOVE the calvalcades.

Perhaps it is different now (I will see in exactly 32 days!!!! eeekkkkkk!!!!!!) but I saw characters way more when I went September 2020 than ever before. I hope they keep the calvalcades.

Though I understand that there are a ton of people who love the parades, and you are all right... this is one of the MAAAAANY covid changes that makes absolutely no sense.

I feel the same way. I guess because the parades used to get in the way of where I was going, but the cavalcades are short and sweet and give you a chance to see characters without waiting in line (or forced interaction).

 

[StarWarsGirl]

Can someone explain to me why we can't have parades anymore, but can have the absolute chaos in the Emporium, with literally wall to wall people?!

There was a total of one parade at WDW before COVID, which was Festival of Fantasy. DL is the one missing the parades.