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Disney Not Renewing Great Movie Ride Sponsorship Deal with TCM ; Attraction to Close

Discussion in 'WDW Parks News, Rumors and Current Events' started by TheVisionarySoul, Aug 2, 2016.

  1. Bocabear

    Bocabear Well-Known Member

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    WDW's Space mountain is superior...It has aged, but was a much grander vision from the very beginning...far superior in every way.. Over the years, DL version got on-board audio and a re-track... If we got the same things ours would absolutely be the best version. The DL version of Splash was the first built, but actually for a change, WDW did get the better version..More effects, leapfrog fountains in the laughing place...all in all a better attraction... despite what maintenance issues it might have from time to time.
     
  2. L.C. Clench

    L.C. Clench Well-Known Member

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    Honestly until attendance numbers significantly sink and raising prices no longer raises profits the odds are the bare minimum is all we can expect from them. They do just enough to give something "new" without actually having to provide something. I think the main problem is no one in any level of decision making actually understands crowd behavior. They look at lines and think "people love this" when a lot of it is just newness. When you go a Decade with no changes and finally something happens people flock to it.

    That said I don't think overlays have to be bad. I think they are often done poorly but as much as I loved Dreamflight I enjoy Buzz more. While that's the only positive one I can think of it is still proof to me that it is possible. Iger has said in terms of the movies he sees plugging in the live action remakes as risk free movies and in much the same way he sees plugging in IPs at the parks as risk free regardless of quality. I've never gotten a feel that he ever really does anything with the parks of consequence and may not even know what makes a quality ride.

    They aren't doing anything with GMR anyway so I'm not sure I care about it going away. It's more sad to look at stagnation which is what we've done on he past 15 plus years (sorry I don't see narration and intro movies as updates) than it is to just see something go.
     
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  3. David2319

    David2319 Well-Known Member

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    I think the issue is how negativity sucks, no matter what form as it just brings you down.

    People seem to use the ways they're running things as an outlet here. Obviously I like many care about the parks and hate the way they're running things, but I still love Disney, the history, and even today I really do enjoy it still.

    Maybe instead of initially finding a way to critique something just critique when something happens that absolutely sucks like DCA's Tower of Terror. But the minor things it's just not worth it.
     
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  4. wannabeBelle

    wannabeBelle Well-Known Member

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    I agree. I am not a negative type normally and with Disney it is the same. In most cases, I am more than willing to take a wait and see approach. There have been exceptions to that when I was friendly with people who were laid off due to the changes ( Off Kilter & Mulch Sweat & Shears most notably) I am looking forward to many of the changes we are hearing about and I love hearing the speculation as to what will be built. The only issue I have right now is with timing. The timing of these projects, mostly in the Studios, is just awful. TSL should have been started a long time ago. When that was done, start on the Star Wars end of things, so the park doesn't have a lack of things to do and real estate to do it in! As mentioned before, this park needs all of it's existing attractions and then some! I just wish that the projects that are being done were better spaced out to allow the further development of the park without taking away from the experience of the guest. Marie
     
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  5. Bocabear

    Bocabear Well-Known Member

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    but that's all subjective...some things are more important to some people than other things...
    Critique is good, discussion is good, let's just not attack each other. that's all.
     
  6. Mike S

    Mike S Well-Known Member

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    I'm against not building new for something as important as one of the very select few Marvel IPs that can be used in WDW.
    Not really or else he wouldn't be throwing so much at Star Wars. In that case, he does see a risk of screwing it up.
     
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  7. L.C. Clench

    L.C. Clench Well-Known Member

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    Star Wars is about as risk free as you can get and they are already going as low risk as possible with it.

    There is 40+ years of evidence that people will throw money at anything that says Star Wars and people are already salivating at playing around in a themed flea market with two new rides and a hotel as an attraction.

    If it was Brave Little Toaster land I'd say that's a risk. Star Wars land not so much.
     
  8. L.C. Clench

    L.C. Clench Well-Known Member

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    But not everyone thinks that the DCA Tower change sucks. Some people are excited about the change.

    Is it just don't be negative unless is something I think is negative and then feel free to be negative.
     
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  9. HMF

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    Of course he does because it's his acquired IP. He wants HIS legacy to be good even if it means crapping on Michael's, or Card's or Walt's or even George's. All of whom he is barely a shadow compared to.
     
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  10. Mike S

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    The risk comes from having to do as much as they're doing to impress people or else they would've had more than just us here berating them on a terrible job. When's the last time they built a single land with two side-by-side E Tickets?

    Exactly.
     
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    Yes, those who have grown up during the comic book movie era are much more likely to approve of the change. I am sure many see the old tower as old-fashioned.

    Of course they should keep the Orlando version as is on the outside at least since it is so much better themed and is timeless because of that fact. IMO.
     
  12. L.C. Clench

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    I'll hold my belief on any of it until it's done. We've all seen concept art disappear, things announced never show up and things built that were shells of the original design. At this point I have faith they will call the area Star Wars land and outside of that I'm taking the wait and see approach. I'm actually more confident they'll do a good job on the hotel since they have a plan to get maximum money out of it.
     
  13. L.C. Clench

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    I don't think it's simply growing up in the comic book movie era. This is one I don't really have a big issue with and unless the comic book movie you are referring to is Flash Gordon I'm probably a bit older. I'd like to see how the ride itself plays out before making a final decision on it but as a surface idea I have much less concern with this than I did the Frozen crud in EPCOT
     
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    It's not. WDW Splash is much better than it's DL counterpart, IMHO.
     
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    Every half witted Armchair Imagineering has said to build more Star Wars. Disney has had the theme park rights for decades. Work on the land only came after it was essentially demanded by Wall Street because it is so obvious.
     
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    And it's being done to a level way above the usual "good enough." They don't want to risk screwing it up.

    That's my point.
     
  17. David2319

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    It's hard to have a constructive discussion though when people rail against anything and everything...

    I am by no means defending Disney, but I also am going to enjoy the past instead of trying to live in it, even though the past was superior.
     
  18. RSoxNo1

    RSoxNo1 Well-Known Member

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    Negativity is necessary if someone or something feels wronged. The passion on these forums is fueled by an original basis of positive experiences. The negativity exemplified on these boards are when individuals feel that something will affect future positive experiences.

    Cynicism is good and healthy. I truly believe that people that see only positive things are delusional.
     
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  19. David2319

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    Don't put words in my mouth. I've repeated multiple times that I don't like the way things are being run. I hate Frozen: Ever After's placement, I hate Gotg taking over Tot. You seem to be "inferring" that I am delusional... wrong in two ways. I don't like tons of things Disney does, but I also love some things they still do. Pandora being a perfect example. Just look at basically anything new that Disney does even if it's good: it's instantly riled with just nonsense, so of course Disney doesn't care what we think because anything they do gets excessively criticized. If we criticise the worst, and stop panning the good frankly I think things would be better.

    I don't like IPs being shoehorned where they don't belong. I don't like the budget cuts, but it's 100% confirmed that they are revving things back up.

    And even as things are lightening up for Pandora almost everytime there's a photo someone has to criticise it in some way.

    Choose your battles to win the best.
     
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  20. larryz

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    Assuming that at least some of Disney management read (or assign other people to read) these forums to keep a sense of what the diehard fan community is talking about, it gives them a sense of what the "Disneyphiles" (or Disney Freaks, AKA "nutters") are noticing, ignoring, or reacting to, real or planted news about what's happening, what might be happening, and/or what they might leak might be happening but really have no intention of doing.
     

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