News Zootopia and Moana Blue Sky concepts for Disney's Animal Kingdom

[KingMickey13]

Nothing, not even an original attraction, is impossible if they believe they can!

Your opinions are not worth making.

So saying what will almost certainly happen isnt worth saying? But presented what you hope will happen as concrete future is alright?

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Then stop being so pessimistic. I am sick of this IP overuse Disney is making in their parks, and I think they need to get out of this corporate hellhole before the public gets worn out, and that should start with Iger's departure.

I'm entitled to my opinions, the same as yours. Your opinion is IP "overuse". My opinion on that is that IP has been infused in the DNA of Disney Parks since Day 1. It's neither here nor there, we're never going to agree with each other, so I won't continue to argue with you.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

I agree with this but there is also a big if here, and that is "unless things change in Hollywood." Based on current trajectories you are correct that the IP mandate should continue for the parks. But if we look at the current trajectory of Disney's film divisions, and the diminishing returns of all these adaptation/spin-off films over the last couple years or so, I'd wager that Hollywood will see significant change sometime in the near future. And that could have unforeseen ramifications for the parks. Do I think the IP mandate will end any time soon, no I do not. But, it remains possible in my opinion if we're talking about the distant future, more than a decade out.

You're totally right. The next 1-2 years will be very interesting, especially with more reboots, spin-offs and the like announced from all the major studios. Time will definitely tell. I don't personally think we will see such major changes in Hollywood anytime soon unless more films bomb.

 

[BlakeW39]

Then stop being so pessimistic. I am sick of this IP overuse Disney is making in their parks, and I think they need to get out of this corporate hellhole before the public gets worn out, and that should start with Iger's departure.

I'm not a fan of the IP mandate either, but that's not really an excuse to be rude. :/

 

[Elijah Abrams]

I'm entitled to my opinions, the same as yours. Your opinion is IP "overuse". My opinion on that is that IP has been infused in the DNA of Disney Parks since Day 1. It's neither here nor there, we're never going to agree with each other, so I won't continue to argue with you.

Well, again, Disney needs to free themselves from this "more corporate, less creative" pit if they want to be as good as they were in the early days and in the 1990s again.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Well, again, Disney needs to free themselves from this "more corporate, less creative" pit if they want to be as good as they were in the early days and in the 1990s again.

How would you suggest they do that?

And while yes they do make sequels/remakes, they still make original movies, but so many on here choose to forget that.

 

[Brer Panther]

The central themes of Moana are a better fit for DAK than a bunch of other movies that are either already at the park or people always suggest for it (a Bug's Life, Up, Jungle Book)

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I've posted this a few times, and so have others. Moana could really tie into any three of these things.

Personal Call to Action & Physiological transformation through adventure: Moana's journey to return the heart of Teifiti
The Intrinsic Value of Nature is basically the basis of the story, "the island gives us what we need", we could all go on.

So all this time Animal Kingdom wasn't about, y'know, ANIMALS, but rather about human beings and their connection with nature. Why isn't the park called "Disney's NATURE Kingdom" then?

Does WALL-E belong in Animal Kingdom too?

 

[MagicHappens1971]

So all this time Animal Kingdom wasn't about, y'know, ANIMALS, but rather about human beings and their connection with nature. Why isn't the park called "Disney's NATURE Kingdom" then?

Does WALL-E belong in Animal Kingdom too?

Are you arguing with us? Or the man who designed the park?

 

[Elijah Abrams]

How would you suggest they do that?

A new CEO or two, with intentions different from Iger.

Now let’s get the *bleep* back on topic, can we?

 

[MagicHappens1971]

A new CEO or two, with intentions different from Iger.

Now let’s get the *bleep* back on topic, can we?

It's really all the same topic. But as I mentioned, the CEO is not the problem. I don't love Iger, but let's stop pretending the IP mandate is solely Iger's fault.

 

[Suspirian]

It's really all the same topic. But as I mentioned, the CEO is not the problem. I don't love Iger, but let's stop pretending the IP mandate is solely Iger's fault.

Theres definitely a larger misunderstanding of what the parks are throughout the company considering the person that lead the discussion about Moana and Zootopia in DAK was from WDAS

 

[BlakeW39]

So all this time Animal Kingdom wasn't about, y'know, ANIMALS, but rather about human beings and their connection with nature. Why isn't the park called "Disney's NATURE Kingdom" then?

Does WALL-E belong in Animal Kingdom too?

I think this is a good time to make the distinction between theme and subject. A subject is what a story is about. The subject of DAK is primarily animals. Theme however is the "underlying predicate that holds together a creative act"— Joe Rohde's words. The THEMES of Animal Kingdom are the intrinsic value of nature (of which animals are the personification), psychological transformation through adventure, and a personal call to conservational action. Themes. Not subjects. The subject is animals, specifically those that are real, ancient, and imaginary.

Animals are a subject. Not a theme.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Theres definitely a larger misunderstanding of what the parks are throughout the company considering the person that lead the discussion about Moana and Zootopia in DAK was from WDAS

What do you mean by that? The presentation was from Jennifer Lee (CCO of WDAS) and Chris Beatty (Portfolio Exec from WDI). They were discussing the possibilities of what was to come. John Lasseter was an active participant of all of the Pixar expansions.

 

[Elijah Abrams]

For the record, what Disney Parks needs to do is to stop taking notes and strategies from Universal Parks, their competitor, and do their own thing in terms of attraction and land theme.

 

[Suspirian]

I think this is a good time to make the distinction between theme and subject. A subject is what a story is about. The subject of DAK is primarily animals. Theme however is the "underlying predicate that holds together a creative act"— Joe Rohde's words. The THEMES of Animal Kingdom are the intrinsic value of nature (of which animals are the personification), psychological transformation through adventure, and a personal call to conservational action. Themes. Not subjects. The subject is animals, specifically those that are real, ancient, and imaginary.

Animals are a subject. Not a theme.

ok then Zootopia is fine.

 

[BlakeW39]

ok then Zootopia is fine.

No? Zootopia doesn't fit any of those themes save for maybe one (psychological transformation through adventure). And in terms of subject matter it also differs.

 

[Brer Panther]

I think this is a good time to make the distinction between theme and subject. A subject is what a story is about. The subject of DAK is primarily animals. Theme however is the "underlying predicate that holds together a creative act"— Joe Rohde's words. The THEMES of Animal Kingdom are the intrinsic value of nature (of which animals are the personification), psychological transformation through adventure, and a personal call to conservational action. Themes. Not subjects. The subject is animals, specifically those that are real, ancient, and imaginary.

Animals are a subject. Not a theme.

So, again, by that logic would WALL-E fit in Animal Kingdom?

And I still don't think the Te Fiti plotline automatically means that Moana and Maui belong in Animal Kingdom. Surely there are other IPs that both focus on animals AND the "intrinsic value of nature, psychological transformation of nature, and a personal call to conservational action".

 

[Goofy213]

Why can't they go back to regions instead of specific lands. We already have Africa and Asia which are the 2 largest regions of the parks. Then you have Discovery Island which is mainly the Tree of Life and Tough to be a Bug. Of course Pandora is technically not a region of Earth, but has become it's own land like Batuu. The Nemo stage show is off on it's own and then Dinoland that never really fit at all. I would prefer a South American region, or Australian, or if you want Moana an Asian Pacfic region in the park. Ok I understand IPs have their place when it comes to meet and greets and attractions, but can we focus on regions and environments on earth that are unique to there region. Yes, attractions like the Safari and Lion King fit in Africa, and Everest and Kali fit in Asia, but the original focus was the exploration trails in both those lands and the unique creatures from those regions. Moana is a great Ip to market off of, but what animals can it focus on in the park. A chicken, a giant crab, or a half man half shark, non of this makes sense. As hated as the film was can we switch the area to South American and change Dinosaur to an Indy Attraction (as it originally was designed for) and use the truck chase scene in the 4th movie for a theme for the ride. Then we would be able to bring in animals from South America and create a new trail where the Dino Spin coaster was. The other option would be Australia which would tie in both Nemo and Dinosaur as they are and would provide the opportunity to bring in unique creatures like Kangroos, Koalas, and Crocs to the area. A new aquarium would be great as well and could be themed to the Great Barrier reef in place of the old coaster. I apologize for the lengthy rant, but there is always hope someone from Disney themselves could see some of these suggestions. Thank you for allowing me to speak up.

 

[doctornick]

Why can't they go back to regions instead of specific lands. We already have Africa and Asia which are the 2 largest regions of the parks. Then you have Discovery Island which is mainly the Tree of Life and Tough to be a Bug. Of course Pandora is technically not a region of Earth, but has become it's own land like Batuu. The Nemo stage show is off on it's own and then Dinoland that never really fit at all. I would prefer a South American region, or Australian, or if you want Moana an Asian Pacfic region in the park.

Who knows if that will come to pass, but that’s exactly what is being discussed with Nemo + Moana (located on the Dinorama plot) being designated as a new land like Oceania or something similar

 

[BlakeW39]

So, again, by that logic would WALL-E fit in Animal Kingdom?

No, WALL-E doesn't fit in Animal Kingdom. While it does have an environmental subtext, the film is largely not set on earth and the inclusion of nature is relegated to one small plant. There are no animals featured throughout the entire film. WALL-E's subject matter differs considerably from DAK, to the point where no amount of imagineering could make it work in the park. Just because a film has similar themes to DAK does not mean it can automatically fit, when the subject matter, art style etc. differ so greatly.

And I still don't think the Te Fiti plotline automatically means that Moana and Maui belong in Animal Kingdom. Surely there are other IPs that both focus on animals AND the "intrinsic value of nature, psychological transformation of nature, and a personal call to conservational action".

And this is one of the fundamental problems with the IP mandate. It's extremely limiting to what imagineering can do. No dinosaur IP? No dinosaurs in DAK

There really are not that many IPs in Disney's library that are based on the same subject matter and themes as DAK. Moana has similar themes so you could make it work so long as you shifted the subject matter to focus more on animals. Like was done with Pandora. But obviously a true non-IP Oceania themed land, similar to Harambe or Anandapur, would be far superior to a Moana anything. I think pretty much every fan of DAK would agree to that.