Your thoughts, Walt Disney in Da Vinci Code book..

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Heya Kids:

I just got done a major dose of Da Vinci Code, first the book, and then the movie.

But of course as a major Disney buff, when Disney's name was dropped as a Priory of Sion member/Masonic member. My interest was piqued.

Regardless of the existence and historically accurateness of the book / or of the groups Priory of Sion or Freemasons (or insert any other conspiracy related group), I couldn't help think of the obvious connection that Disney and some of his early masters did use a lot of hidden imagery and allusions in their early films and shorts, obviously Disney corp. does this to this day, just look at all the hidden imagery used in the parks, current movies etc. etc....

Does anyone else think that the early movies, Snow White and Sleeping Beauty could contain hidden religious allegories?? Or could it just be reading into something that isn't there.... Discuss.

P.S. Let's keep it on topic...

 

[SpectroMan]

Considering that the Priory of Sion list is a fake and the man who wrote confessed to it being a fake, I will still answer the question.

All of the religious imagery of the early movies is there, but it wasn't Disney who placed the religious importance in the movies. They were definitely written into the fairy tales when they were created.

The question is if Walt Disney new a conspiracy and therefore created these movies for this reason.

I say no. I think he was just creating entertainment with some of the most famous stories around.

 

[SirNim]

I need to read the book before I offer a respectable opinion... :lol:

But before I do that, I can say that I would find it highly unlikely that there are hidden references to any sort of conspiracy, real or otherwise.

I think the religious allegories that may or may not be present in the Disney canon are either a) the result of the original storyteller's culture (fairy tales) or b) simply human allegories—that is to say, all the elements of the stories that Disney told (and tells) obviously have a basis/origin in the basic human experience—love, victory, evil, sin, etc. These are not inherintely religious—they are universally human, so universal and basic that everybody is free to project his or her religious views on them.

I hope I've made sense. :lol:

 

[Pongo]

I found it a stratch that after Brown mentioned Walt as being a Mason, he talked about the symbolism in The Little Mermaid.

Now obviously Walt would have had NO influence WHATSOEVER on the imagery and sumbolism in that film. He died 30 years before it's creation!

 

[SirNim]

I found it a stratch that after Brown mentioned Walt as being a Mason, he talked about the symbolism in The Little Mermaid.

Now obviously Walt would have had NO influence WHATSOEVER on the imagery and sumbolism in that film. He died 30 years before it's creation!

Perhaps the entire Disney Company is a front created specifically to disseminate worldwide communications between various secret organizations entrusted to veil various aspects of a most Holy mystery so earthshattering that it must be encoded to stave off the extinction of the human species!

(Or perhaps the Disney Company is just a cartoon company trying to earn a buck or two here and there.)

 

[Connor002]

I was surprised Walt's name popped up, but I doubt there's anything behind it.

Perhaps the entire Disney Company is a front created specifically to disseminate worldwide communications between various secret organizations entrusted to veil various aspects of a most Holy mystery so earthshattering that it must be encoded to stave off the extinction of the human species!

(Or perhaps the Disney Company is just a cartoon company trying to earn a buck or two here and there.)

I vote for the former! :lookaroun

 

[Amber]

I found it a stratch that after Brown mentioned Walt as being a Mason, he talked about the symbolism in The Little Mermaid.

Now obviously Walt would have had NO influence WHATSOEVER on the imagery and sumbolism in that film. He died 30 years before it's creation!

This is a little off topic, but at least Disney related. In a converstation about Walt Disney, someone once asked me about Walt's relationship with his mother. I said I had no idea, but I assumed it was a normal one. He then pointed out that very few characters in Disney movies have mothers. I know that a lot of these movies are based on stories written by other people, but think about this:

• Ariel (and all of her sisters)
• Belle
• Jasmine
• Lilo
• Huey Dewey and Louie
• Jane

I believe in the case of Lilo, something like an accident was mentioned. But for the rest of them, they don't have mothers in the movies and those mothers are never mentioned. Interesting theory. :veryconfu

 

[Main Street USA]

Perhaps the entire Disney Company is a front created specifically to disseminate worldwide communications between various secret organizations entrusted to veil various aspects of a most Holy mystery so earthshattering that it must be encoded to stave off the extinction of the human species!

YES! This MUST be what makes the company so mysteriously magical!

 

[CThaddeus]

I found it a stratch that after Brown mentioned Walt as being a Mason, he talked about the symbolism in The Little Mermaid.

Now obviously Walt would have had NO influence WHATSOEVER on the imagery and sumbolism in that film. He died 30 years before it's creation!

Not necessarily. The movie was under development while Walt was still alive. It was eventually put on the back burner (for a long time). Joe Grant was even given a credit in the movie for doing much of the original design work. Now I'm sure there is a major difference between what was developed back then and what ended up on the screen in 1989, but I just thought I'd mention that Walt did have a little something to do with it. As for any religious symbolism, I don't really know, and frankly, I don't much care. Hidden Mickeys and other Disney characters are much more interesting to me.

 

[NadieMasK2]

This is a little off topic, but at least Disney related. In a converstation about Walt Disney, someone once asked me about Walt's relationship with his mother. I said I had no idea, but I assumed it was a normal one. He then pointed out that very few characters in Disney movies have mothers. I know that a lot of these movies are based on stories written by other people, but think about this:

• Ariel (and all of her sisters)
• Belle
• Jasmine
• Lilo
• Huey Dewey and Louie
• Jane

I believe in the case of Lilo, something like an accident was mentioned. But for the rest of them, they don't have mothers in the movies and those mothers are never mentioned. Interesting theory. :veryconfu

I have often wondered about this too! Pinocchio had Gepetto. Also Cinderella's mother dies at a very young age, and what about Pocahontas? I remember the father and best friend, but the mother hardly played a role at all. Bambi's mother of course dies very young. Hmm.....

Perhaps it was art imitating life, signifying his bond with his daughters? Still I do find it odd, though.

 

[JimboJones123]

Heya Kids:

I just got done a major dose of Da Vinci Code, first the book, and then the movie.

But of course as a major Disney buff, when Disney's name was dropped as a Priory of Sion member/Masonic member. My interest was piqued.

Regardless of the existence and historically accurateness of the book / or of the groups Priory of Sion or Freemasons (or insert any other conspiracy related group), I couldn't help think of the obvious connection that Disney and some of his early masters did use a lot of hidden imagery and allusions in their early films and shorts, obviously Disney corp. does this to this day, just look at all the hidden imagery used in the parks, current movies etc. etc....

Does anyone else think that the early movies, Snow White and Sleeping Beauty could contain hidden religious allegories?? Or could it just be reading into something that isn't there.... Discuss.

P.S. Let's keep it on topic...

I don't know how to respond -- i just know I was really bothered by the "ritual" scene that the girl witnessed. IT DEFINATLY DID NOT FIT INTO THE STORY--- HOW WEIRD WAS THAT... very desturbing. But AWESOME "FICTION" besides that. And DNA tests to Mary don't link to Jesus himself.

 

[Since1976]

When I read that Walt Disney bit, I thought two things: 1) Dan Brown was name-dropping Disney in a bid to get the company's attention and perhaps get them to make the movie, or 2) Brown is just a Disney geek like the rest of us, and he couldn't help inserting a little Disney into the novel.

Either way, I found the reference a bit out of place, but I admit I kinda dug the fact that the hero wears a Mickey Mouse watch.

 

[timoteo]

Walt's name popped up in the Original Stepford Wives movie too. Another complete fabrication regarding a consipiracy of a secret society. I think it is kind of an insult to humanity when we attribute human genius and creativity and the success of that creativity to the backing or support of secret societies, outside agents, etc. or the one that really galls me aliens. "Aliens helped build the pyramids". Humans can do great things with their own brains, sometimes.

 

[Amber]

When I read that Walt Disney bit, I thought two things: 1) Dan Brown was name-dropping Disney in a bid to get the company's attention and perhaps get them to make the movie, or 2) Brown is just a Disney geek like the rest of us, and he couldn't help inserting a little Disney into the novel.

Either way, I found the reference a bit out of place, but I admit I kinda dug the fact that the hero wears a Mickey Mouse watch.

And don't forget about Robert Landon's Mickey Mouse watch!

 

[DisneyJill]

I don't know how to respond -- i just know I was really bothered by the "ritual" scene that the girl witnessed. IT DEFINATLY DID NOT FIT INTO THE STORY--- HOW WEIRD WAS THAT... very desturbing. But AWESOME "FICTION" besides that. And DNA tests to Mary don't link to Jesus himself.

*shrugs* Part of the book. Something that the PS did, apparently (fact or fictional PS). It was somewhat more graphic in the book than in the movie, if memory serves.

 

[ThumpersThought]

This is a little off topic, but at least Disney related. In a converstation about Walt Disney, someone once asked me about Walt's relationship with his mother. I said I had no idea, but I assumed it was a normal one. He then pointed out that very few characters in Disney movies have mothers. I know that a lot of these movies are based on stories written by other people, but think about this:

• Ariel (and all of her sisters)
• Belle
• Jasmine
• Lilo
• Huey Dewey and Louie
• Jane

I believe in the case of Lilo, something like an accident was mentioned. But for the rest of them, they don't have mothers in the movies and those mothers are never mentioned. Interesting theory. :veryconfu

First, I'd like to point out that Huey Dewey and Louie do have a mother, we just don't see her much (I think she was only in a couple cartoons).

That said, an animator (whose name I forget) was onced asked about the lack of either one or both parents in many Disney features. His response was along the lines of, "A happy home doesn't create drama. To see a character pulling themselves up, you need to start them at a dissadvantage."

In a blunt sense, killing off the mother (ala Bambi or Cinderella) gives the audience an immediate sense of grief without needing a large backstory. Using those two examples, we get to see the characters better themselves after this loss.

Re-imagine Bambi without the hunting scene. Still would have been a cute movie, but it would not have had the power. When you see Bambi standing tall after the fire, there's still the ache from the gunshot lingering in the theater.

So, I wouldn't read too much into missing parents other than it creates an instant "conflict" or "problem" (can't quite get the right term here) that audiences can easily identify.

 

[JimboJones123]

*shrugs* Part of the book. Something that the PS did, apparently (fact or fictional PS). It was somewhat more graphic in the book than in the movie, if memory serves.

would have been shocking in the book too -- Very weird -- jesus offspring and his helpers trying to spawn off a nother gerneration -- Does the jesus offsring need help in that from is 30 closest friends in costume. but then again god did want abe to kill his kid -- maybe it was devine intervention -- jesus offspring can't procreate without an audience. I think I just blasphamized like 20 times. oh well -- 50 hell maries for me.

 

[a2grafix]

Does anyone else think that the early movies, Snow White and Sleeping Beauty could contain hidden religious allegories?? Or could it just be reading into something that isn't there.... Discuss.

I found it a stratch that after Brown mentioned Walt as being a Mason, he talked about the symbolism in The Little Mermaid.

Yes, but it is not an early movie, but a recent movie. The Little Mermaid comes to mind.

I work for a TV station and we had this "in-depth" half-hour show at 5:30pm that we devled into hot topics of the now and in the local news. My station had just got done with a "religious trial" that involved a priest killing in nun, so after the verdict and to keep the sweeps piece pushing through the "ratings book" one of the topics discussed was The Da Vinci Code and its religious connotations and the similarities of the catholic church.

I remember doing an image for the show that was dicusssed in-depth. It showed Ariel, the lead character in The Little Mermaid, looking at a painting. Now, I have not seen the movie in quite some time but I believe the scene was when she was swimming through the sunken ship.

Yup, here it is ...

The image we showed on air had Ariel looking a painting of a woman. History buffs are saying Disney (in general) put the image of Mary Magadalene in the movie in that image.

For what it's worth, that's the connection with Disney and The Da Vinci Code.

But, if World of Motion was alive today, we would be clammoring over and riding the dark ride over and over again during the Mona Lisa painting scene looking for clues!

 

[AliciaLuvzDizne]

*shrugs* Part of the book. Something that the PS did, apparently (fact or fictional PS). It was somewhat more graphic in the book than in the movie, if memory serves.

they didnt explain it enough in the movie...it kinda made sense in the book after it was explained