Your Attendance Change Predictions

dreamscometrue

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I was looking at theme park attendance numbers from TEA, to get a sense of the impact of significant investments in the parks, as was the case with WWoHP and the DCA makeover. From 2008 to 2013-the interval which saw the completion the DCA makeover-attendance increased at that park by 3 million people. This represents a 53% change. In that same period, IoA opened WWoHP, and attendance improved by just under 3 million guests, representing a 54% improvement. In both those very similar cases, attendance changes essentially stopped after 5 years. Last year, DCA had a 3% increase, while IoA had a 0% change. The growth can’t last forever, but new annual benchmarks have been set at those 2 parks, 50%+ above where they were just 5 years prior. (Even MK attendance has increased by 1.7 million, or 11%, the past 2 years simply with the NFL addition, which was not expected to increase numbers, but simply disperse crowds more evenly in the park. It seems as though if you build stuff, people will come.)

Clearly, investing a billion dollars or two in quality attractions can provide a very significant return in terms of guest numbers. With all the money that has been announced or rumored for WDW, I am curious as to what my fellow WDWMagicians (is that what we are?) think the attendance effect will be for any or all of the following:

1. DHS (SWL/TSL/Phase 3/entertainment changes, etc.)

2. DAK (Pandora/RoL/Night safari/entertainment changes, etc.)

3. Epcot (Frozen ride and meet-and-greet/Soarin’ Over the World/$350 million investment-rumor)

4. MK (Frontierland expansion-rumor/$350 million investment-rumor)

5. Downtown Disney to Disney Springs

My thoughts are as follows:

1. Huge increase when done. I’m not sure about a 50%+ increase (that would be more than 5 million people), but I can see a jump from 10.3 million in 2014, to 14 million in 2020.

2. Even though many people will stay longer, I believe the year after Pandora is open will see the park increase attendance from 10.4 million guests in 2014, to 12 million. (In 2006, park attendance increased by 700,000 and all that opened that year was one attraction, Expedition Everest).

3. This one will be interesting. How many families with youngish children who skipped Epcot in the past, will go now simply for the Frozen offerings? I have no idea. So, my guess is that the increase will not be huge…perhaps half a million or so.

4. If both these things happen, it wouldn’t surprise me if MK is at 21 million (from 19.3 million in 2014) by the 50th anniversary in 2021.

5. I expect a huge increase in the number of visitors from 2013, to its completion next year. There are so many new, quality offerings compared to what was there before, I know that I'll spend significantly more time and money than before (and we always went twice per trip, for 3-4 hours each time)

I’d really love to hear the thoughts of my wise peeps here on the boards.

Cheers.
 
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wdwfan4ver

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1.) I think DHS is going to get 12 to 15 million guests in a year range depending on what is in the 3rd phase. I don't think Toy Story Land is going to a huge draw unless I am underestimating the Coaster because I don't see the 2nd ride I didn't mention as a big draw to draw new people. The problem with the land for drawing new guests is I think Toy Story Midway Mania already is bringing in the Toy Story Crowd.

Star Wars Land to me is the big draw here based on the fanbase and the attractions announced. I am mention the 3rd phase because of the content or what the land is really plays a big role.

2.) I am guessing AK is get a total of 11 to 12 million guests after Pandora is done.

3.) An increase for Epcot, but less than a mile more guests. I think it would be likely to get anywhere from an additional two Hundred Fifty thousand to nine Hundred Hundred thousand increase at best. I don't think Soarin' around the World is going to draw more guests for being an update. I think Frozen will bring more families with young kids over, but I don't see the ride doing that change or the meet and greets.

The additional money is questionable for drawing more people depending on what it is. If is a Inside Outside show, I think it wouldn't draw as many people as Frozen. I don't see money spent for a new Night Time Show increasing amount of Guests compare to an attraction.

4.) I think MK getting 21 million guests by 2021 isn't out of the question. The Frontierland Rumor is the key if MK gets 22 Million guests by 2021. The 350 Million really isn't going to be a draw since I expect the money to be on updated rides, and new Night Time stuff.

5.) Disney Springs is hard to say outside of saying a big increase. We don't know all content going into Disney Springs yet officially by Disney themselves.
 
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JourneysEnd

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Well I'm certainly not a "wise" person, but I can tell you the new Frozen ride in Epcot caused me to add an extra day to the trip so the grandchild could ride it next summer.
 

1023

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Well I'm certainly not a "wise" person, but I can tell you the new Frozen ride in Epcot caused me to add an extra day to the trip so the grandchild could ride it next summer.

I'm not sure I would count on the "leaked" May 1st 2016 opening date. It may work out. I hope you are going a bit later in the summer season.

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MaxW

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i like this positive chain of events. they spend money, bringing in more people, more people means higher return, higher return can lead to more rides and so on. Maybe i will see a fifth gate opening in my lifetime
 

1023

Provocateur, Rancanteur, Plaisanter, du Jour
I think people will come and attend the theme parks. <Insert drumroll rimshot here>

I think until Avatar opens, the only park with a big boost will be Epcot with it's increased toonification ala Frozen and Soarin' Expansion. Animal Kingdom might see a little from fancy light and water show at night (this may mean a less crowded Epcot for RoE).

In 2017, all bets are on TSL being open before end of fiscal year. This could push some attendance to DHS. I still don't see SWL open until 2018 but I haven't seen what others have recently seen. Avatar will drive attendance like crazy at Animal Kingdom as word of mouth will make this area of the park "crowd limited".

When the "un-announced" is revealed (this reveal is a moving target still) and built by the end of 2020, DHS will have a giant attendance boost again.

Now you probably noticed I said nothing about MK and further Epcot news.....

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DisneyPrincess5

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How much busier could it get :banghead: I know the parks can handle a lot and have capacity phases to control it, but I feel that the parks are pretty busy all year long now with the exception of maybe a couple of times now...maybe. It's crazy to imagine that the parks (and then the resorts and the restaurants of course) will become even busier with these new additions over the next many years, but they will.
 

CP_alum08

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How much busier could it get :banghead: I know the parks can handle a lot and have capacity phases to control it, but I feel that the parks are pretty busy all year long now with the exception of maybe a couple of times now...maybe. It's crazy to imagine that the parks (and then the resorts and the restaurants of course) will become even busier with these new additions over the next many years, but they will.
I agree it is pretty crazy. But...with all these new things (except Epcot) the size of the park is expanding, alowing it to hold more people.

I think without significant size increases to MK we are getting pretty close to seeing just how much it can take. There are already several days a year where it closes to capacity.
 

DisneyPrincess5

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I agree it is pretty crazy. But...with all these new things (except Epcot) the size of the park is expanding, alowing it to hold more people.

I think without significant size increases to MK we are getting pretty close to seeing just how much it can take. There are already several days a year where it closes to capacity.
Yes that's a great point. So obvious but I never thought of that. MK will be interesting over time. Do we know about how much size DHS will gain measurement wise?
 

POLY LOVER

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How could it do anything but increase attendance if for nothing more than the curiosity sake. If it is a quality expansion it will be sustained if not the news gets out and it's a fading number.
 

PhotoDave219

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No idea.

The bigger question is whether or not the resort as a whole will grow or will each park just steal guests from the others, like what DHS did with DAK & Epcot this summer.

Iger said Domestic parks were up 4% attendance wise overall during the last conference call.
 

dreamscometrue

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Original Poster
No idea.

The bigger question is whether or not the resort as a whole will grow or will each park just steal guests from the others, like what DHS did with DAK & Epcot this summer.

Iger said Domestic parks were up 4% attendance wise overall during the last conference call.
Good point. I expect overall attendance will be up significantly 5-6 years from now.

I would like to know more about how they track attendance (Disney, Universal and TEA). Is it simply turnstile clicks? And if I go to MK in the morning and back at night, am I counted twice? The more important question I assume, is how it affects revenue if one park 'steals' from another. If I have a 10 day hopper pass or annual pass paid for before I arrive, does Disney care which parks (or Disney Springs) I spend my time in once I arrive? If I'm on property, getting food and beverages, and buying merchandise, I can't see how it would matter much.
 

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